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Apple blocks Pragmatic Programmers' release of iPhone book for developers

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Re: Apple blocks Pragmatic Programmers' release of iPhone book for developers

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Post by sunkencity »

aston wrote: post #17
wayne wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Serious? That's hard core. This might discourage me from developing for the iPhone, but it's not going to make me buy a Zune over an iPod. :)

The new Zune stuff is looking really good right now. Like better than iPod + iTunes good.

Just because apple sux there's no reason to go to microsoft. That's even worse. There are linux players that are pretty good.

I think what's changing is that apple has always been as evil as microsoft. Only with much better PR. They are slipping now because there are new demands for openness which they fail to handle.

Re: Apple blocks Pragmatic Programmers' release of iPhone book for developers

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Post by dcurtis »

aston wrote: post #17
wayne wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Serious? That's hard core. This might discourage me from developing for the iPhone, but it's not going to make me buy a Zune over an iPod. :)

The new Zune stuff is looking really good right now. Like better than iPod + iTunes good.

You're kidding right? Bash Apple all you want, but you have to admit that they create the best user experiences of any company around.

Microsoft has proven for twenty years that it is incapable of creating a good user experience.

Re: Apple blocks Pragmatic Programmers' release of iPhone book for developers

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Post by ash »

utnick wrote: post #18

Has the iphone nda actually been enforced yet or even threatened to be enforced by apple? Or is this an issue like the chrome license that says goog owns everything you type, but obviously they aren't going around taking my words?

Google Chrome license was updated several weeks ago. See e.g. http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2008/09/update-to-google-chro...

Extract:

  11. Content license from you
  11.1 You retain copyright and any other rights you already
  hold in Content which you submit, post or display on or 
  through, the Services.

Re: Apple blocks Pragmatic Programmers' release of iPhone book for developers

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Post by wmf »

utnick wrote: post #18

Has the iphone nda actually been enforced yet or even threatened to be enforced by apple? Or is this an issue like the chrome license that says goog owns everything you type, but obviously they aren't going around taking my words?

The difference is that Google changed their license after people complained.

Presumably developers aren't pushing the boundaries of the NDA because they fear being banned for life, so there's nothing for Apple to enforce.

Re: Apple blocks Pragmatic Programmers' release of iPhone book for developers

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Post by silencio »

wmf wrote: post #24
utnick wrote: post #18

Has the iphone nda actually been enforced yet or even threatened to be enforced by apple? Or is this an issue like the chrome license that says goog owns everything you type, but obviously they aren't going around taking my words?

The difference is that Google changed their license after people complained. Presumably developers aren't pushing the boundaries of the NDA because they fear being banned for life , so there's nothing for Apple to enforce.

Exactly. Podcaster's adhoc distribution being blocked is a fantastic example. Netshare being banned from the app store is another. At this moment, unless you are a well known developer bitching a ton about this that Apple can't lash out at you without completely and utterly (and possibly irreversibly) screwing themselves over in the eyes of the Mac/iPhone dev community (i.e. Wil Shipley, Craig Hockenberry), you don't want to because this insanity is preferable to nothing at all because some cretin at Apple was like "woah, this person went overboard with the criticism..blacklisted".

Re: Apple blocks Pragmatic Programmers' release of iPhone book for developers

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Post by mattmaroon »

iamdave wrote: post #11
mroman wrote: post #5

This is outrageous. That's it, I am going to refrain from purchasing any and all Apple products from here on, am going to encourage others to do the same, and will also refrain from recommending their products to anyone.

I was planning on buying an iPod next month with a pay raise, but after all of this stuff from Apple, I'm really starting to lose my admiration for the company. I miss when Apple was fringe.

I really dig my Creative players, FWIW.

Re: Apple blocks Pragmatic Programmers' release of iPhone book for developers

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Post by aston »

dcurtis wrote: post #22
aston wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The new Zune stuff is looking really good right now. Like better than iPod + iTunes good.

You're kidding right? Bash Apple all you want, but you have to admit that they create the best user experiences of any company around. Microsoft has proven for twenty years that it is incapable of creating a good user experience.

Well, having tried both, I probably have a better perspective on the matter. However, I'll defer to authority: http://gizmodo.com/5050410/microsoft-beats-apples-itunes-gen...

Re: Apple blocks Pragmatic Programmers' release of iPhone book for developers

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Post by jmatt »

silencio wrote: post #25
wmf wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The difference is that Google changed their license after people complained. Presumably developers aren't pushing the boundaries of the NDA because they fear being banned for life , so there's nothing for Apple to enforce.

Exactly. Podcaster's adhoc distribution being blocked is a fantastic example. Netshare being banned from the app store is another. At this moment, unless you are a well known developer bitching a ton about this that Apple can't lash out at you without completely and utterly (and possibly irreversibly) screwing themselves over in the eyes of the Mac/iPhone dev community (i.e. Wil Shipley, Craig Hockenberry), you don't…

Netshare being banned from the app store is another.

If you were lucky enough to buy Netshare when it was for sale - it still works (yay!).

I wonder exactly what this means for future support for products such as Netshare.

My guess is adhoc'ed distributions like Podcaster will be a pain in the but to provide updates for - but it'll be possible. Especially with the appropriate make / build script. I think those of us who own now banned applications may be in trouble in the future.

Re: Apple blocks Pragmatic Programmers' release of iPhone book for developers

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Post by pavelludiq »

mroman wrote: post #5

This is outrageous. That's it, I am going to refrain from purchasing any and all Apple products from here on, am going to encourage others to do the same, and will also refrain from recommending their products to anyone.

Sometimes it feels lonely being an open source advocate, but reading this, there was a smirk on my face, and my first thought was "Told them so". I love it when people suffer for trusting big companies, its like their own fault, big co's are evil by definition, you should know better than to trust them. You con use their products, but trusting them, or even worse, to love them? In the expression "common sense", people tend to hear only the "common" part, the "sense" part is more important!
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