But certainly everyone who really wants will block it, so it will ONLY be used for surveillance of the innocent, probably to influence their political views, or punish the baddies?
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#22CSAM is terrible but how common is it to justify invading all of our privacy. Cars can kill people. Should we ban those? We know alcohol is damaging, maybe we should ruin that fun for everyone too.
> Cars can kill people. Should we ban those? In dense cities: yes.
I would rather ban (too) dense cities.
Nobody needs to live at a density of 10k+ people per square kilometre .
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#23this keeps getting proposed every few months and it keeps getting rejected
The problem is they only need to win once. What we really need is an immutable section in the EU constitution that anyone who tries to take away basic privacy rights like this is immediately tried for crimes against humanity and sent to prison for the rest of their lives.
Conversely, perhaps protection against this kind of dragnet can be enshrined in Constitutions / Bills of Rights / UN Charters to defend against these attacks more fundamentally.
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#24Yeah not like this. I will turn myself into a black hole as much as possible. If they somehow ever come to suspect me of these things I will gladly do anything I can to support their investigations. They can come by with a warrant, look through my message history specifically and only for evidence related to their investigation, it will happen in my presence, and no copies of my data will be made and/or fed into the…
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#25Does seem a bit incongruous with EU efforts to protect privacy like GDPR.
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#26"Potential victims" are not victims. That's where the slippery slope begins.
There was a movie called Minority Report that had a similar premise. Basically they would detect murders before they happened and arrest people moments before the murder took place. At the time of the arrest the potential killer had motive and intent, so that’s how they justified it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minority_Report_(film)?wprov=s...
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#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Cars can kill people. Should we ban those? In dense cities: yes.
I would rather ban (too) dense cities. Nobody needs to live at a density of 10k+ people per square kilometre .
Makes a lot more sense than all the land we waste on roads and large lots for suburbia.
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#28Yeah not like this. I will turn myself into a black hole as much as possible. If they somehow ever come to suspect me of these things I will gladly do anything I can to support their investigations. They can come by with a warrant, look through my message history specifically and only for evidence related to their investigation, it will happen in my presence, and no copies of my data will be made and/or fed into the…
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> full control in the name of COVID
Apart from closing bars and restaurants etc what sort of full control did the EU impose?
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#29this keeps getting proposed every few months and it keeps getting rejected
The problem is they only need to win once. What we really need is an immutable section in the EU constitution that anyone who tries to take away basic privacy rights like this is immediately tried for crimes against humanity and sent to prison for the rest of their lives.
> The problem is they only need to win once.
This is a classic EU tactic
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#30this keeps getting proposed every few months and it keeps getting rejected
The problem is they only need to win once. What we really need is an immutable section in the EU constitution that anyone who tries to take away basic privacy rights like this is immediately tried for crimes against humanity and sent to prison for the rest of their lives.
Privacy rights are in the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union, which is indirectly part of the Treaty of Lisbon, the closest thing to an EU constitution.
The CJEU has stuck down laws affecting privacy multiple times.
There is always wiggle room of course, and vigilance has to be eternal.