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Re: Humanity’s broken risk perception is reversing global progress

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Post by 10amxn10 »

axiomsEnd wrote: post #13
verisimi wrote: post #3

Coming from the UN, we already know what the answer will be. More governance, more/better management of risk by the UN that is then delegated to its administrative regions (the US, EU, etc). This is because as long as we are talking about risk, this plays into the hands of a global governance structure. All risks should be planned for and managed - I mean the covid response was fantastic, right? What was wrong was no…

How do we want to fight global warming, if we have rather big industries and local incentives pushing in favor of fossil fuels..?

I personally see a global tyranical system (quoting the GP) as a far bigger threat than climate change doom scenarios. At least during our lifetimes.

Only time will tell.

Re: Humanity’s broken risk perception is reversing global progress

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Post by throwawaymaths »

> broken perception of risk based on “optimism, underestimation and invincibility"

How about artificially low interest rates? An interest rate is exactly the coordination between risk and time, with a low interest rate you're subsidizing stupidity and wastefulness, and with its concommittant inflation you're forcing people into making those investments to stay afloat.

Maybe if we weren't goosing the interest rate lower for "growth" we wouldn't be destroying the environment.

But I guess it is hard to get someone who works for an organization like the UN, who is predisposed to meddle, to see that the problem is meddling, and not that the solution is more meddling.

Re: Humanity’s broken risk perception is reversing global progress

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Post by lm28469 »

verisimi wrote: post #12
blueflow wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> let local people decide for themselves what they want to do - use leaded petrol - build fridges using HCFCs - burn trash This stuff had to be forbidden by the government to make it stop. The UN might be some corrupt stuff, but the point of reducing government at all is nonsense. People on their own won't stop doing harmful things if they dont suffer the consequences themself.

You're right - but also wrong. Governments built the roads - other solutions are conceivable. Tax payers paid once for the roads to be built, and are now paying for roads to made unusable for cars (lane restrictions, pedestrianisation, etc). That's a waste. Did you know that electric cars were very popular 100 years ago - but because of the oil industry + government, they were quashed? Government waves through unacce…

> Did you know that electric cars were very popular 100 years ago - but because of the oil industry + government, they were quashed?

Er this is extremely simplistic. Electricity wasn't as common as now and battery tech was extremely shitty (requiring maintenance every few days, handling acids, &c.)

Re: Humanity’s broken risk perception is reversing global progress

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Post by temp8964 »

chrisco255 wrote: post #18

Right now, we have a host of problems, almost all of them manmade, but no, they're not related to the state of nature or even mankind's influence on nature. We are on the brink of world war three and the UN's only reason for existing is to prevent that from happening again, but instead of doing its job it's playing propaganda games with the word 'disaster' to make you think a global carbon tax is the solution to all…

Also do remember WHO played political game on the side of China at the beginning of the pandemic. That’s one of the reasons we got in this new SARS.

Re: Humanity’s broken risk perception is reversing global progress

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Post by Terry_Roll »

raspberry1337 wrote: post #4
verisimi wrote: post #3

Coming from the UN, we already know what the answer will be. More governance, more/better management of risk by the UN that is then delegated to its administrative regions (the US, EU, etc). This is because as long as we are talking about risk, this plays into the hands of a global governance structure. All risks should be planned for and managed - I mean the covid response was fantastic, right? What was wrong was no…

I stopped respecting the UN when they said they criticized Elon Musk for not giving them 6 billion dollars so that they could "solve world hunger". That's about as much as the state of Sweden donates to poverty every single year, and that is just Sweden alone. The total amount of charity donations worldwide is in the trillions of dollars yet there's always just more required. Bureaucrats with humanities degrees at th…

Charity highlights taxation doesnt work.

Re: Humanity’s broken risk perception is reversing global progress

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Post by heavenlyblue »

verisimi wrote: post #16
axiomsEnd wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok, but how removing the goverment will change that we have massive industries? Small groups of consumers will held accounrable companies?

You say remove - I say rollback. The sentiment should be that we have less government - we should empower individuals, not monolithic state apparatus. It would ideally be rolled back slowly, keeping a steady focus where governmental power is continuously eroded. However, I also think that things are so wildly out of kilter now, that it is far more likely that things could become even more tumultuous. I even think the…

> we should empower individuals

Does that mean that I now have to spend my time in the evening doing the "monolithic state apparatus'" job instead of going for a meal with my partner?

Re: Humanity’s broken risk perception is reversing global progress

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Post by 748 »

verisimi wrote: post #16
axiomsEnd wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok, but how removing the goverment will change that we have massive industries? Small groups of consumers will held accounrable companies?

You say remove - I say rollback. The sentiment should be that we have less government - we should empower individuals, not monolithic state apparatus. It would ideally be rolled back slowly, keeping a steady focus where governmental power is continuously eroded. However, I also think that things are so wildly out of kilter now, that it is far more likely that things could become even more tumultuous. I even think the…

I understand your distrust towards "Big Corporations" aimed at maximizing profit.. But I wouldn't trust individuals with many things govmnts regulate. We may be talking in different contexts, but as it was mentioned above, almost all aspects need a governing body that has the overview of the general state of things in order to properly "reduce damage". Same thing with speed limits - some people claim there should be no speed limits at night. If assigned to individuals to decide on this, well, there will be no speed limits. I understand your frustration with dysfunctional govmnts, but it is important to remember that we live in a non-perfect world and most "individuals" are not trustworthy either. And if we have to chose between two evils - the govmnts and "individuals" - it is reasonable to chose the least evil, which is the govmnt. At least in present times, what will be in the future - I don't know. However I am in no way a politician or sociologist so I have no actual knowledge in this, I am just writing my opinion here and it is not my intention to change your mind.

Re: Humanity’s broken risk perception is reversing global progress

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Post by newsclues »

temp8964 wrote: post #24
chrisco255 wrote: post #18

Right now, we have a host of problems, almost all of them manmade, but no, they're not related to the state of nature or even mankind's influence on nature. We are on the brink of world war three and the UN's only reason for existing is to prevent that from happening again, but instead of doing its job it's playing propaganda games with the word 'disaster' to make you think a global carbon tax is the solution to all…

Also do remember WHO played political game on the side of China at the beginning of the pandemic. That’s one of the reasons we got in this new SARS.

And remember that western leaders and elites went along with Chinese leaders!

Re: Humanity’s broken risk perception is reversing global progress

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Post by lm28469 »

raspberry1337 wrote: post #4
verisimi wrote: post #3

Coming from the UN, we already know what the answer will be. More governance, more/better management of risk by the UN that is then delegated to its administrative regions (the US, EU, etc). This is because as long as we are talking about risk, this plays into the hands of a global governance structure. All risks should be planned for and managed - I mean the covid response was fantastic, right? What was wrong was no…

I stopped respecting the UN when they said they criticized Elon Musk for not giving them 6 billion dollars so that they could "solve world hunger". That's about as much as the state of Sweden donates to poverty every single year, and that is just Sweden alone. The total amount of charity donations worldwide is in the trillions of dollars yet there's always just more required. Bureaucrats with humanities degrees at th…

> I stopped respecting the UN when they said they criticized Elon Musk

The UN isn't perfect but it sure as hell better than no communication between countries at all.

Elon Musk is insignificant compared to that, "I stopped respecting the biggest world forum when they criticised an egomaniac entrepreneur" jeez...

> Bureaucrats with humanities degrees at the UN don't solve problems, if they were solved, their jobs would be purposeless.

Does it occurs to you that some problems can't be solved but only mitigated ? it's like saying covid lockdowns and vaccines were useless because "hey look, not so many people died in the end". The UN have done more to the world than Musk or any other single individual will ever do. It's not perfect, it's inefficient, it's expensive, it's still the best we can do. What do you imagine ? The UN work for 15 years, solve all of the world problems and retire ? The world is constantly evolving, it's not so hard to grasp

Re: Humanity’s broken risk perception is reversing global progress

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Post by nonrandomstring »

lm28469 wrote: post #23
verisimi wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're right - but also wrong. Governments built the roads - other solutions are conceivable. Tax payers paid once for the roads to be built, and are now paying for roads to made unusable for cars (lane restrictions, pedestrianisation, etc). That's a waste. Did you know that electric cars were very popular 100 years ago - but because of the oil industry + government, they were quashed? Government waves through unacce…

> Did you know that electric cars were very popular 100 years ago - but because of the oil industry + government, they were quashed? Er this is extremely simplistic. Electricity wasn't as common as now and battery tech was extremely shitty (requiring maintenance every few days, handling acids, &c.)

> > Did you know that electric cars were very popular 100 years ago - but because of the oil industry + government, they were quashed?

> Electricity wasn't as common as now and battery tech was extremely shitty (requiring maintenance every few days, handling acids, &c.)

When automobiles first appeared, gasoline was not as common as now and internal combustion technology was primitive, requiring almost constant maintenance, handling flammable liquids etc.

The modern IC automobile is unrecognisable from those of the Benz/Ford era. Had electrical vehicles been preferred for 100 years of government financial and policy support they'd be equal or superior to combustion technology, and vastly superior to Tesla and other EV's around now which are catching up on decades of lost development.

(but then neither of us have a time-machine to prove our post-facto fantasies about alternative histories)

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