Earlier quoted context omitted.
You pretty much touched on the central issue. "Sex without consequences" is pretty much what's at stake here. And you start telling people they can't just go around having sex with whoever, you really kick the hornets nest.
In other words it’s all about upholding religious prejudices, which, while harmful to society, benefit certain people. It’s no different from sharia law. (Except even sharia law doesn’t condone this particular stupidity.)
‘Enforced childbirth is slavery’: Margaret Atwood on the right to abortion
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#22Of course, the Democrats have already started making noises about following another unwise course, that of packing the Supreme Court by adding more justices that they can install. They will find in due course that they will fail miserably there as well and face a profound backlash.
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#23This is completely blown out of any conceivable proportion. The supreme court is correct, they should strike their previous decision and let the lawmakers create the proper framework. Weird to equate this to slavery. These people actually think the supreme court revoking its previous ruling will ban abortions outright.
There are two entirely acceptable approaches. A state level legislation. Or constitutional amendment ratified by the correct process. I don't really see any reason why either of those wouldn't be acceptable. Instead of this rather messy way done in judicial system that really don't have legs to stand on.
State level legislation is what we'll have to deal with, but let's not pretend the result of that - women having to risk fines or jail time unless they're forced to give birth or else move to a state that respects their right to bodily autonomy - should be acceptable in a modern society. It is only because half the country doesn't want to be a modern society, and because the power structures of the US are engineered such that that half can drag the rest of the country around by the nose indefinitely.
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#24This is completely blown out of any conceivable proportion. The supreme court is correct, they should strike their previous decision and let the lawmakers create the proper framework. Weird to equate this to slavery. These people actually think the supreme court revoking its previous ruling will ban abortions outright.
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#25If you invite someone onto your submarine, and take them down to the bottom of the ocean, but then they suffer some accident and need to be taken back to the surface for medical attention, it isn't slavery for the law to force you to pilot the submarine to the nearest port. Whether any of that is relevant to the complicated issue of abortion is another matter, but I think Margaret Atwood is glossing over some importa…
Driving a submarine wherever you want isn’t a fundamental human right. Deciding about one’s own body is. A better example would be forcing someone to become an organ donor to save someone else. That’s pretty much equivalent to abortion ban.
But deciding about an unborn child's body isn't. I really don't think your position is as incontrovertible as you're suggesting, which is why this issue doesn't have any easy answers.
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#26This is completely blown out of any conceivable proportion. The supreme court is correct, they should strike their previous decision and let the lawmakers create the proper framework. Weird to equate this to slavery. These people actually think the supreme court revoking its previous ruling will ban abortions outright.
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#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
In other words it’s all about upholding religious prejudices, which, while harmful to society, benefit certain people. It’s no different from sharia law. (Except even sharia law doesn’t condone this particular stupidity.)
It's not stupidity. These are incredibly inteligent people behind all of this.
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Driving a submarine wherever you want isn’t a fundamental human right. Deciding about one’s own body is. A better example would be forcing someone to become an organ donor to save someone else. That’s pretty much equivalent to abortion ban.
> Deciding about one’s own body is. But deciding about an unborn child's body isn't. I really don't think your position is as incontrovertible as you're suggesting, which is why this issue doesn't have any easy answers.
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#29This is completely blown out of any conceivable proportion. The supreme court is correct, they should strike their previous decision and let the lawmakers create the proper framework. Weird to equate this to slavery. These people actually think the supreme court revoking its previous ruling will ban abortions outright.
So you’d be ok if SCOTUS declared that the lawmakers need to reconsider anti-slavery laws?
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#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
There are two entirely acceptable approaches. A state level legislation. Or constitutional amendment ratified by the correct process. I don't really see any reason why either of those wouldn't be acceptable. Instead of this rather messy way done in judicial system that really don't have legs to stand on.
Southern states will never agree to a Constitutional Convention for anything other than an Amendment banning abortion unconditionally, and because a Convention can't occur without those states, and other states wouldn't approve of such a ban, any such Convention is existentially impossible. Even if that weren't the case, the South will never allow a Constitutional Convention for the simple reason that it allows the r…