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Ask HN: Has social media reached its saturation point?

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Re: Ask HN: Has social media reached its saturation point?

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Never thought I’d be stanning for TikTok, but it’s really not just dancing and thirst traps. There are so many excellent creators on it. Nature focused. Rare book dealers showing their wares. Medievalists. And trades, showing you how things work (herding sheep, thatching roofs, general home repairs). Not to mention all the artists (drawing, painting, sculpting, pottery, stained glass, sewing, etc). It really excels i…

No doubt they are there, but they are there by chance/habit (I think) not because the platform serves them well. TikTok has all sorts of time limits and you can't even upload professionally shot content lasting more than x seconds. It's an app which revolves around the smartphone environment. That's very limiting Instagram allows for much more flexibility.

Current limits are 10 minutes on my account. And I upload from my computer all the time, after editing on Final Cut Pro. I'm not a "professional" by any definition.

Check this guy out for an example of TikTok excellence: https://www.tiktok.com/@pintofplane

> It's an app which revolves around the smartphone environment. That's very limiting

You see a limit, but the millions of users see a really easy way to share videos :-)

Re: Ask HN: Has social media reached its saturation point?

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The future of Social Media is no centralized social media entity. Everything these sites/companies do, you can do yourself. No need for a centralized service, just connect directly with your friends, share what you want, directly.

So yes, saturation has been achieved. What comes next is the methods of how we as humans connect. (remember, FB was just a condensed and easy to use version of the Web at large), they just made it really easy to post and share.

Do you really think we'll need a centralized service to do this in the future?

Re: Ask HN: Has social media reached its saturation point?

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> Twitter is making the transition towards a "free speach" platform

Twitter was originally a free speech platform. It transitioned away from that, much to the chagrin of its co-founder.

"Twitter stands for freedom of expression. We stand for speaking truth to power. And we stand for empowering dialogue." https://twitter.com/jack/status/651003891153108997

The point is to restore the platform's core value and be a neutral, trusted public square. Jack himself said Elon is the only one he trusts to do that.

Re: Ask HN: Has social media reached its saturation point?

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Maybe, but it's hard to say because some of social media is trend-based.

People want to connect to each other, but they also want novelty in how they do it.

After they get bored writing on each other's walls, they want to try writing 160-character quips for public consumption. And when they get bored of that, they want to try taking photos and sharing them. And when they get bored of that, they want to try trading short videos of themselves doing stuff. And so on.

So when a given service stops growing, is it because all the users who could have signed up have done so? Or is it because some people moved on to the new thing? Or some combination?

Re: Ask HN: Has social media reached its saturation point?

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Social media, when it came on the scene in the form of Facebook, et. al. simply went gangbusters because there wasn't anything like it before (this is arguable, but is beyond the scope of this comment). On the other hand, lower-reach social communities like forums are still humming along just fine after all these years. Their popularity grows and wanes with trends but there will (probably) always be people on forums.…

>Social media has broad reach but shallow depth.

I'd argue that the OG university-only thefacebook.com was successful because it had narrow reach and deeper depth (at least compared to its one-size-fits all modern form). The features were tailored very specifically to that audience, and the audience found a lot of value from it.

Re: Ask HN: Has social media reached its saturation point?

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People need to understand what the outputs of some social media companies are. I think Elon is just trying to get governments to pay for using the system to spread, collect, and take action on what is shared.

If say a company like Palantir or Dataminr are connecting in to monitor for some type of activity, Twitter could charge much more for that monitoring. Hedge funds could also monitor or access data on postings to see how a stock is fluctuating.

Twitter has a great concept and high end information based personalities on the platform, but its executed so poorly. Improve the interface, allow most free speech and you have a great population monitoring system that give you real time focus groups essentially.

Facebook/Meta went too big brother, collected way too much information. It was bad. I used to love facebook until 2014 it started turning with all the boomers joining, and the algo changes encouraging conflict.

I think Reddit will really be the next social media platform. It already has, but it uses semi-verified users, and anonymous users (less and less). Its been relatively transparent.

Re: Ask HN: Has social media reached its saturation point?

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As long as there is an Internet, we will need someone to run the places people go to talk to each other on it. And while the name for it may change, right now we call that "social media".

There is a right size for a healthy place for people to talk to each other and Facebook and Twitter are both way above this size. I will mourn neither of them when they vanish, for they have both optimized entirely for keeping users on the site as long as possible, without a single care as to whether what they're doing on the site is good for them or not - as long as the company gets to serve more ad views in between you spinning your wheels in an endless flame war, they're happy.

I believe the main improvement of Facebook's "metaverse" is that Facebook hopes to have a thriving marketplace for user-generated content, of which they generously plan to only take a 47% cut. I'm sure they'll still quite happily find a way to take money to shove ads into every corner of your time with their VR helmet on, too.

Re: Ask HN: Has social media reached its saturation point?

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post #23

> Twitter is making the transition towards a "free speach" platform Twitter was originally a free speech platform. It transitioned away from that, much to the chagrin of its co-founder. "Twitter stands for freedom of expression. We stand for speaking truth to power. And we stand for empowering dialogue." https://twitter.com/jack/status/651003891153108997 The point is to restore the platform's core value and be a neut…

It takes a huge leap of logic to come to the conclusion that Musk cares about free speech for anyone other than himself. What he wants is speech without consequences for himself. His ability to speak is mostly unrestricted by any government power, and policy changes at Twitter will have no effect on what few restrictions he might encounter.

Re: Ask HN: Has social media reached its saturation point?

#29
"Web 1 Socials" were built around for purpose communities; forums, irc, etc where like minded people gathered to discuss common interests.

"Web 2 Socials" were the bundling of for purpose communities into giant super communities; reddit, facebook, twitter, etc.

If this follows everything else that has gone before it on the internet. The next phase will be an unbundling where things go back to for purpose communities again until they get rebundled and the cycle repeats.

https://hbr.org/2014/06/how-to-succeed-in-business-by-bundli...

Re: Ask HN: Has social media reached its saturation point?

#30

Maybe, but it's hard to say because some of social media is trend-based. People want to connect to each other, but they also want novelty in how they do it. After they get bored writing on each other's walls, they want to try writing 160-character quips for public consumption. And when they get bored of that, they want to try taking photos and sharing them. And when they get bored of that, they want to try trading sh…

OK, given you're correct then how do people's lives compare now with those in the past in the pre-social media days? We shouldn't forget that for all of history until the recent advent of social media individuals had to 'connect' in different ways and that they were somehow successful in doing so—or civilization/society wouldn't exist.

In the past, novelty wasn't much of an option as people had very limited choices when connecting with others. Perhaps the question we need to ask is was this more limited (and much slower) choice better for people's well-being and mental health. I don't reckon we've a satisfactory answer to that question as yet.

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