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Nearly all of the Western USA is in drought and it's not even summer yet

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Re: Nearly all of the Western USA is in drought and it's not even summer yet

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It's not unprecedented. It's been a steady state that they have pretended was not a steady state. They are not "in a drought". They say drought in a way that implies that it is a temporary state that may return to a different, normal state. But it will not. They have reached a new normal of a lower water level. https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2021-05-06/editorial-t... was a great editorial on this from last yea…

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Re: Nearly all of the Western USA is in drought and it's not even summer yet

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It's not unprecedented. It's been a steady state that they have pretended was not a steady state. They are not "in a drought". They say drought in a way that implies that it is a temporary state that may return to a different, normal state. But it will not. They have reached a new normal of a lower water level. https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2021-05-06/editorial-t... was a great editorial on this from last yea…

agree - Jerry Brown called it the 'new not-normal' .. this isn't a drought, it is shift

Re: Nearly all of the Western USA is in drought and it's not even summer yet

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In Iowa we have the opposite problem too much rain. We are in the last week to plant corn before seeing reduced yields.

We need the transcontinental pipeline to push water to where it needs to be.

Or agriculture needs to move to where the water is.

Re: Nearly all of the Western USA is in drought and it's not even summer yet

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Blowing up the Cascade Range would probably solve this problem. The resulting rubble would also prove as extremely potent fertilizer. Thinking about it some more the idea seems so good that you almost have to do it. Not from the US but it would also seems like a US thing to do.

Blowing up California would also solve the problem.

Re: Nearly all of the Western USA is in drought and it's not even summer yet

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Hasn't drought in the American west been a constant for at least the past 1500 years? Like, that's the origin story of most of the native groups - "everything died so we traveled through the hellish lands of death until we reached a place with water". Those that lived in the area throughout that time (like my own ancestors) left almost no history for obvious reasons, but it's pretty sure that they lived without most…

> Those that lived in the area throughout that time (like my own ancestors) left almost no history for obvious reasons, Humans have lived in the basin where I live for at least 4000 years, and many parts of it are filled with thousands of bits of their pottery as evidence of their presence. I suspect that the Tewa/Pueblo people in general would be a little troubled by the idea that they "left almost no history" behin…

Artifacts are not history, they are items. The names, languages, and cultures of many native groups are completely unknown due to genocide and forced integration.

I said that they lacked the trappings of what present-day humans think of as civilization, not that they didn't exist or have civilization, which I know they did - but they died out due to drought. Much of the time, they lacked resources for widespread access to fire, clothing materials, or sedentary farming, because there was so little water and so little arable land, and they learned to live without those things.

https://www.desertusa.com/ind1/ind_new/ind16.html

Re: Nearly all of the Western USA is in drought and it's not even summer yet

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Hasn't drought in the American west been a constant for at least the past 1500 years? Like, that's the origin story of most of the native groups - "everything died so we traveled through the hellish lands of death until we reached a place with water". Those that lived in the area throughout that time (like my own ancestors) left almost no history for obvious reasons, but it's pretty sure that they lived without most…

What's the point you are making? It sounds like your saying that there have been droughts in the past that repeatedly uprooted and changed entire cultures lives and history. Right now we're going to be facing even more severly droughts due to climate change that will very likely impact far more people far more severely. So you're correct: when this happened in the past simply do to natural variation in the region in…

> Right now we're going to be facing even more severly droughts due to climate change that will very likely impact far more people far more severely.

There isn't evidence that global warming is causing more droughts in California. Just because the globe overall is warmer and experiences more droughts, doesn't mean every part of it is warmer and experiences more droughts.

Global warming could actually be causing the opposite, and there would be even more severe droughts if less CO2 had been emitted by humans.

Re: Nearly all of the Western USA is in drought and it's not even summer yet

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In Iowa we have the opposite problem too much rain. We are in the last week to plant corn before seeing reduced yields.

We need the transcontinental pipeline to push water to where it needs to be. Or agriculture needs to move to where the water is.

I don't forsee a transcontinental water pipe going over well. I, for one, refuse to subsidize people who want to live in a dessert with my own water table.

People should live in areas that can support human life.

Re: Nearly all of the Western USA is in drought and it's not even summer yet

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Semi-related, but last night I watched City Beautiful's video on YT [1] that explains the troubled relationship between poor fire management practices in the western USA and poor development practices - meaning intermingling of houses and forest so controlled burns become impossible.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJiepXtXRX8

Re: Nearly all of the Western USA is in drought and it's not even summer yet

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It's not unprecedented. It's been a steady state that they have pretended was not a steady state. They are not "in a drought". They say drought in a way that implies that it is a temporary state that may return to a different, normal state. But it will not. They have reached a new normal of a lower water level. https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2021-05-06/editorial-t... was a great editorial on this from last yea…

CA water use is 50% environment, 40% agriculture, 10% residential. Maybe we should focus on reducing that 50%? It was nice and all when we had plenty of water to waste but it’s time to revisit those policies.

https://www.ppic.org/publication/water-use-in-california/

Re: Nearly all of the Western USA is in drought and it's not even summer yet

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It's not unprecedented. It's been a steady state that they have pretended was not a steady state. They are not "in a drought". They say drought in a way that implies that it is a temporary state that may return to a different, normal state. But it will not. They have reached a new normal of a lower water level. https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2021-05-06/editorial-t... was a great editorial on this from last yea…

Well, what are we going to do?

California and Arizona wiped most of the US produce business off the map.

Between the destruction of Ukraine, the western us droughts and the impending exhaustion of much of the Ogallala Aquifer, looks like many chickens are coming home to roost in the coming years.

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