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Privacy Friendly Apps – improved privacy protection on the smartphone

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Re: Privacy Friendly Apps – improved privacy protection on the smartphone

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Android is a write off from a privacy perspective, it's already an inferior good. The only viable near term privacy product I could see for it would be a virtual machine platform for phones that lets you run multiple OS instances with identities on the bare metal. I think there is still opportunity to create premium privacy experiences on existing platforms and apps, but only because those platforms are established and privacy becomes an extra power, and I don't think there is as much growth in a replacement platform for "privacy centric twitter/FB/goog."

One startup idea I briefly pursued some years ago was developing privacy focused work-alikes for common utility apps, and what I sensed from it was after "flashlight," "calendar" and "QR code reader" apps are their own contained brand experiences. There is no messenger workalike, each game is itself the experience, and playing a clone is less satisfying, and there's a quality to apps that is as intrinsic and unique as a story that you can't just replicate.

The business model was to charge for privacy focused work-alikes of popular free utility apps as an effective luxury privacy brand for apps, but even this misunderstood luxury products (an area I had some experience with, in addition to security and privacy). Luxury goods represent stories of aspiration and belonging, where privacy is a reactionary value that needs a foundation of something valuable beneath or behind it to protect. It's a quality and a feature, but to succeed, it can't be the reason.

To be valuable, privacy needs to socially elevate the user, similar to how the whole apple brand experience does, and distinct from the way someone using Tor/Tails all the time would relate to the world. Privacy as a concept has acquired the vibe of an inferior good, something you want when you don't have power, and so it's not something used for elite signalling the way exclusivity was just 20 years ago.

In this sense, privacy must be attractive, which is a real magic sauce. To do that, what people mean when they say something is cool or sexy is that it is powerful. Together, it means that for a privacy centric tech to succeed, it must first be powerful. Blockchains and cryptocurrencies were technically powerful, but their bar to entry meant they were adopted by unpowerful people first, and are still percieved as an economic "inferior good." Power over things is just leverage, where desirable power is necessarily status over other people. There's a lot of opportunity to refine this still.

Re: Privacy Friendly Apps – improved privacy protection on the smartphone

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It seems sad that in 2022 it still needs explaining what privacy is and why its a good thing. I don't wish to knock this great project, but I'm growing weary of reading what seem to be almost obligatory structures; 1) Initial platitude about how smartphones are ubiquitous, inevitable, inescapable centres of existence without which humans would die within seconds. 2) Tragic self-mocking account of how we're all idiots…

> It seems sad that in 2022 it still needs explaining what privacy is and why its a good thing. Because for most people privacy on the internet isn't important. They either don't care it's being abused ("I've got nothing to hide"), or are OK with paying the price of giving it away in exchange for the services they get, and think are entitled to, for free. This has many reasons, and a major one IMO is that we didn't b…

> Because for most people privacy on the internet isn't important. They either don't care it's being abused ("I've got nothing to hide"), or are OK with paying the price of giving it away in exchange for the services they get, and think are entitled to, for free.

The fact that "privacy" doesn't mean the same thing for all people isn't helping. Privacy fundamentalist use the same rhetoric and fundamentalism as Stallman does, where they use a definition of "privacy" which is disconnected from what most people are worried about when talking about "privacy".

Counting clicks on a button in an app (privacy fundamentalists: "spying") is far from concerning for most people while uploading their private messages, leaking their private pictures or having their coworkers read their messages is concerning. For an example of that, consider that in another comment thread on HN, the networkers were vehemently defending their right to reading anything and everything on "their" networks while still demanding privacy from their phones.

And as long as the definition of "privacy" is abused to harvest clicks and outrage, meaningful progress can't be made.

Re: Privacy Friendly Apps – improved privacy protection on the smartphone

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https://secuso.aifb.kit.edu/english/Pedometer.php I have a Samsung phone, s10+. I've not tried this app yet, but I will. However all apps I've tried so far got my steps wrong. I imagine because it's something that isn't documented by Samsung and they know exactly which values to use to calculate the steps and distance and speed. So essentially you buy a product with the right sensors but there is no documentation for…

> However all apps I've tried so far got my steps wrong.

FWIW, every pedometer (digital or not) ever created is "wrong" about the number of steps you take per day. What they do offer is a device- or app-relative measurement of roughly how many steps you take.

https://www.medicinenet.com/pedometers/article.htm

"Accurate pedometers are those with step-count errors less than 10%, high or low. […] The Colorado on the Move, Sportline 330 and 345, and Yamax Skeletone EM-180 were within acceptable high or low error limits of 10%. The Accusplit and Freestyle underestimated steps by 20% and 25%, respectively, and the Walk4Life, Omron, and Oregon Scientific overestimated steps by 20%, 30%, and 45%, respectively."

Re: Privacy Friendly Apps – improved privacy protection on the smartphone

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post #12

It seems sad that in 2022 it still needs explaining what privacy is and why its a good thing. I don't wish to knock this great project, but I'm growing weary of reading what seem to be almost obligatory structures; 1) Initial platitude about how smartphones are ubiquitous, inevitable, inescapable centres of existence without which humans would die within seconds. 2) Tragic self-mocking account of how we're all idiots…

> It seems sad that in 2022 it still needs explaining what privacy is and why its a good thing. Because for most people privacy on the internet isn't important. They either don't care it's being abused ("I've got nothing to hide"), or are OK with paying the price of giving it away in exchange for the services they get, and think are entitled to, for free. This has many reasons, and a major one IMO is that we didn't b…

> Because for most people privacy on the internet isn't important

That's changing. There's a movement online to get people weaned off big tech and surveillance capitalism. The thing about privacy online is that it's hard to measure, since many opt out of telemetry so you can't easily gauge just how many people have opted out of big tech & surveillance. I imagine the number is exponentially rising as each year passes.

Now I don't expect everyone to be fully private in 10 years, and you'll always get freeloaders exchanging personal data for something free. That's just a fact of life. You have to think of this in terms of 'radioactive waste'. They say data is 'the new oil' but it's really the new radioactive waste!

Re: Privacy Friendly Apps – improved privacy protection on the smartphone

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Good initiative, but might be better idea to provide less apps with similar functionality and concentrate on one that actually works. I'm still searching for a decent privacy respecting (no internet, no sync, no google account required) app for simple reminders and notes, but neither of Secuso apps worked, mainly reminders in "To-Do-List" were not working at all.

If anyone has made a simple reminder/note app, similar to ones you'd find on smartphone pre-installed - please share. No idea how many apps I already tested, and each one has some annoying issues. I just need a simple Google Keep clone without sync, location features.

Re: Privacy Friendly Apps – improved privacy protection on the smartphone

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post #16

Within f-droid, though they're also on google store I assume, I can recommend Simple Mobile Tools. Just one Slovakian dev but the apps can replace various stock and non-stock apps and work fantastic. The names are a bit generic though, like Simple Gallery or Simple File Manager. They're powerful enough for me, and simple enough that I install them for my mom and grandma (grandpa can't read, dad chose the dark side),…

Yeah they're on the Google Play Store too:

https://simplemobiletools.com/

https://github.com/SimpleMobileTools

https://simplemobiletools.com/donate

I use half of them and agree completely on the peace of mind they bring when changing phones or onboarding other people.

Re: Privacy Friendly Apps – improved privacy protection on the smartphone

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It seems sad that in 2022 it still needs explaining what privacy is and why its a good thing. I don't wish to knock this great project, but I'm growing weary of reading what seem to be almost obligatory structures; 1) Initial platitude about how smartphones are ubiquitous, inevitable, inescapable centres of existence without which humans would die within seconds. 2) Tragic self-mocking account of how we're all idiots…

> It seems sad that in 2022 it still needs explaining what privacy is and why its a good thing.

It should be about as sad as the fact that addition and subtraction still need to be explained. People are still being born.

> I don't wish to knock this great project, but I'm growing weary of reading what seem to be almost obligatory structures;

If this is your first time reading something like this, you need the obligatory structure. If you already know everything, it's not for you. If it's complicated and normies can't do it, that can't be helped, it's what we have. If you are a normie looking for privacy and see that it looks unintelligibly difficult, that's educational. You might be upset by that fact, and therefore support and amplify criticisms of the current regimes, software that simplifies the process, and/or legislation to protect people.

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