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Exposed by a Strava KOM: The Many Lives of a Fake Pro Cyclist

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Re: Exposed by a Strava KOM: The Many Lives of a Fake Pro Cyclist

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Post by gilgoomesh »

geocrasher wrote: post #17

Reading this story, as long as it is, was quite interesting to me. I've been on the other end of the lies. As a young person, ranging from middle school to early 20's, I was repeatedly duped by people who lied to me over and over again, making up fantastic stories that were tailored to my interests and gullibility. They used these lies to gain my friendship, to control my actions to get what they wanted, or to in one…

Family members don’t call out narcissists as a polite way of moving past it. They don’t want to fight every 5 minutes.

I’m sorry that gave you the wrong impression.

Re: Exposed by a Strava KOM: The Many Lives of a Fake Pro Cyclist

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Post by jnsaff2 »

pikma wrote: post #19
abdel_nasser wrote: post #7

wow that was really long but i read almost all of it. a lot of it is just going into details that are necessary to condemn him without committing libel, i feel like. the most impressive bit is that he became the CEO of a publicly traded company with totally fake CV and no education and was paid more than a million dollars. and now he works at a gun shop literally across the street from the old bike shop, peddling lie…

> saturated animal fat doesnt cause heart disease Can you please tell me more? I would love for this to be true, is there evidence for this?

I guess this book is a good start [0].

I read it, I wanted to believe it but I will not endorse what’s in there (mostly because I am now much more cautious about cherry picked slick slightly against the establishment stories).

While here I will post a book that did change my life in a rather dramatic fashion [1].

Also a good functional medicine doctor is worth every bill they charge.

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Why_We_Get_Fat

[1] https://www.amymyersmd.com/sp/the-thyroid-connection-paperba...

Re: Exposed by a Strava KOM: The Many Lives of a Fake Pro Cyclist

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Post by arpinum »

Well worth the read, but it left me with so many questions.

How much is self-deception? The conclusion of the article makes me think he believes some of his own lies, as if he starting lying so much he doesn't remember what is reality.

The other characters in the story are equally fascinating. Did the retired general know Clark was a grifter, but was happy to collect a pay check sitting on the board? Can you succeed as a defence contractor without buying influence via board seats?

Did Clark purposely team up with unqualified people as a 'shared complicity'? This makes me think he didn't believe his own stories, as he didn't want people in his inner circle who could call out his lies.

When the female cyclist said she would believe Clark if he said the sky was green, what could Clark possibly have done to have so much control over a person? What percent of the population is vulnerable to being sucked into obvious lies?

MLM scams, politics of the Big Lie, investment scams, prophets, miracle cures, etc. The world seems full of these horrible people. How can we help our friends and family avoid being victims if these scammers have such strong powers of persuasion?

Re: Exposed by a Strava KOM: The Many Lives of a Fake Pro Cyclist

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Post by ben7799 »

waxyalan wrote: post #9
cycomanic wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I read statements like this, I always wider what people think is happening in other sports, especially those where there is much more money involved. I mean the US professional sports don't even have proper testing. Baseball has had plenty of steroid abuse, for basketball one only need to look at how players look after a year of playing in the NBA (Dirk Nowitzki was a tall skinny boy when in Germany, he gained >…

One of Armstrong's team mates from US Postal days wrote a tell all biography after he was banned for doping: Tyler Hamilton the secret race, in it (paraphrasing) he said he saw athletes from every professional sport in the waiting room of the private doctor who was doing his doping.

I read Tyler’s book and don’t recall him saying that quite so directly. It is surely true though.

I met him at an unsanctioned/non-UCI race he showed up at during his ban but before he came clean. Weird experience, he obviously won the race and most people were supportive but it was such a weird scene. You could practically feel the tormented aura of guilt/shame/embarrassment coming off him. IIRC he had won that race as an amateur prior to doping as well.

Re: Exposed by a Strava KOM: The Many Lives of a Fake Pro Cyclist

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Post by bombcar »

gilgoomesh wrote: post #21
geocrasher wrote: post #17

Reading this story, as long as it is, was quite interesting to me. I've been on the other end of the lies. As a young person, ranging from middle school to early 20's, I was repeatedly duped by people who lied to me over and over again, making up fantastic stories that were tailored to my interests and gullibility. They used these lies to gain my friendship, to control my actions to get what they wanted, or to in one…

Family members don’t call out narcissists as a polite way of moving past it. They don’t want to fight every 5 minutes. I’m sorry that gave you the wrong impression.

One of the duties of parents is to call out bullshit privately for their children so they can also learn the distinction.

Re: Exposed by a Strava KOM: The Many Lives of a Fake Pro Cyclist

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Post by ehvatum »

arpinum wrote: post #24

Well worth the read, but it left me with so many questions. How much is self-deception? The conclusion of the article makes me think he believes some of his own lies, as if he starting lying so much he doesn't remember what is reality. The other characters in the story are equally fascinating. Did the retired general know Clark was a grifter, but was happy to collect a pay check sitting on the board? Can you succeed…

> How can we help our friends and family avoid being victims if these scammers have such strong powers of persuasion?

Take your credulous friends to an AA meeting, now and then. It’s basically a workshop against every kind of deception.

Re: Exposed by a Strava KOM: The Many Lives of a Fake Pro Cyclist

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Post by eli »

ehvatum wrote: post #29
arpinum wrote: post #24

Well worth the read, but it left me with so many questions. How much is self-deception? The conclusion of the article makes me think he believes some of his own lies, as if he starting lying so much he doesn't remember what is reality. The other characters in the story are equally fascinating. Did the retired general know Clark was a grifter, but was happy to collect a pay check sitting on the board? Can you succeed…

> How can we help our friends and family avoid being victims if these scammers have such strong powers of persuasion? Take your credulous friends to an AA meeting, now and then. It’s basically a workshop against every kind of deception.

Rubbernecking an AA meeting feels wrong
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