Jon Bois is remarkable. I never would have imagined that my wife could watch 20m youtube videos on sports statistics trivia but she would get excited when a new Jon Bois video was uploaded! I never knew he wrote fiction too.
Nobody will admit the best novel of our generation is about football
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#22When I read the title of this post, Jon Bois was the first thing that came to mind. 17776 is one of my all time favorite websites, and my goto example of amazing hypertext fiction. https://www.sbnation.com/a/17776-football
17776 was also my first thought once the author revealed he was talking about Bois. 17776 is incredible... and also about football of course (I mean, sort of)
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#23Interesting book review. Bizarre title choice. Not only clickbaity, but doesn’t capture any point present in any part of the review. It doesn’t go into who don’t admit, or why, why it’s the best novel and according to whom (the author only go as far as saying “very good”), what is the contention point about being about football.
I hate-skimmed the article because I find self-professed heretics so tiresome. This is next-level faux-heresy because there's not even the usual "stuff I disagree with is orthodoxy" nonsense — it just makes an empty assertion of victimhood and doesn't bother to provide even specious reasoning to support it.
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#24When I read the title of this post, Jon Bois was the first thing that came to mind. 17776 is one of my all time favorite websites, and my goto example of amazing hypertext fiction. https://www.sbnation.com/a/17776-football
Ahh! I thought the idea of 'to street' sounded familiar. 17776 is excellent.
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#25When the author starts their post off insulting David French they lose all credibility in my mind as an arbiter of literature. David French has written an enormous number of posts I disagree strongly with, and an equivalent number that I agree strongly with. That's because he thinks and writes about extremely complex matters of morality and does not reduce his views to the "liberal" or "conservative" orthodoxy. He st…
Your reply made me interested in learning more about David French, so I went to his substack and read his post about John Adams Fear, which I enjoyed and thought was pretty balanced. I was wondering, and maybe someone else can chime in, why the author of this article said:
"OK, so, there’s this thing where if you write a bunch you hope you eventually build up some trust with your audience. You try to be generally reliable and trustworthy in hopes that they come to believe you are generally reasonable, that you wouldn’t try to trick them, and that you aren’t David French. If any of these three things aren’t true, they rightfully come to distrust you."
There is some context I'm missing here, why do you think the author felt tricked by David French?
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#26When the author starts their post off insulting David French they lose all credibility in my mind as an arbiter of literature. David French has written an enormous number of posts I disagree strongly with, and an equivalent number that I agree strongly with. That's because he thinks and writes about extremely complex matters of morality and does not reduce his views to the "liberal" or "conservative" orthodoxy. He st…
I read the comment as a tongue-in-cheek jab, not an insult. The author made no value judgements about French, and it’s hard to deny that part of French’s audience turned on him.
The reasons for that are not examined, and in the context of the reviewer’s opening, it serves as nothing more than a way to say “usually, trust can be built over time, David French’s situation notwithstanding”.
To conclude that the author hates French is a pretty enormous leap.
It strikes me that this comment is guilty of the same thing it complains about.
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#27I was hoping this was about “Friday Night Lights”.
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#29> Canada is a real country. It’s sort of a mix between San Francisco, North Dakota, and ice.
Hilarious. Probably took the author ages to arrive at this particular formula.
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#30ah, not https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/17776 ?
Came here for this. 17776 (and the sequel) are amazing. For context, I think I'm the kind of person who would have never gotten into football "naturally," but I grew up in and moved back to a big-time college football town, and so I think I get into it by osmosis.