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Espionage or Journalism? After the Snowden NSA Leaks (2020)

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Re: Espionage or Journalism? After the Snowden NSA Leaks (2020)

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Post by sha256sum »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #16
sha256sum wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well if you’re going to post three-letter-agency FUD at least include some links to backup your claims?

Huh? The article discusses his conversations with several high ranking members of the intelligence community. And their programs monitoring the press and their lengthy classified dossier on the author. For example >Mueller cross-examined me: Were the NSA documents not lawfully classified? Were they not stolen? Did I not publish them anyway?

I misunderstood the context, thank you.

Re: Espionage or Journalism? After the Snowden NSA Leaks (2020)

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Post by boomboomsubban »

photochemsyn wrote: post #17
boomboomsubban wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The story is about whether Gellman was a spy like many in the intelligence community including Clapper claim he is. It's about his works with Snowden's documents, not Snowden himself.

What I don't understand is why Clapper wasn't at the very least charged with perjury for lying to Congress under oath. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/5-people-who-lied-...

While I agree, that's not very relevant to the subject of this article, which is more about how Clapper labeled Greenwald, Poitras and Gellman as "accomplices" of Snowden.

Re: Espionage or Journalism? After the Snowden NSA Leaks (2020)

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Post by boomboomsubban »

harry8 wrote: post #20

"SINCE I MET EDWARD SNOWDEN, I’VE NEVER STOPPED WATCHING MY BACK" That is the title of the article when I click the link. (Caps and all came through in copy-paste). Where is this "Espionage or Journalism" coming from? Are there different titles shown to different viewers?

The page title is "Espionage or Journalism..."

Re: Espionage or Journalism? After the Snowden NSA Leaks (2020)

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Post by whatshisface »

sha256sum wrote: post #18
whatshisface wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no real evidence that the NSA kills its enemies or even that the CIA does when those enemies are American citizens.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Hampton Context: “ In 1967, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) identified Hampton as a radical threat. It tried to subvert his activities in Chicago, sowing disinformation among black progressive groups and placing a counterintelligence operative in the local Panthers organization. In December 1969, Hampton was drugged, shot and killed in his bed during a predawn raid at hi…

That's a local PD killing someone, we know they do that a lot. People also get swatted, the FBI is not the only group of people who sends out local PDs in a way that gets citizens killed.

Re: Espionage or Journalism? After the Snowden NSA Leaks (2020)

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Post by whatshisface »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #5
whatshisface wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no real evidence that the NSA kills its enemies or even that the CIA does when those enemies are American citizens.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_al-Awlaki

So I guess Obama ordered the death of a citizen of his own country. So much for my defense.

Re: Espionage or Journalism? After the Snowden NSA Leaks (2020)

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Post by [deleted] »

whatshisface wrote: post #24
sha256sum wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Hampton Context: “ In 1967, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) identified Hampton as a radical threat. It tried to subvert his activities in Chicago, sowing disinformation among black progressive groups and placing a counterintelligence operative in the local Panthers organization. In December 1969, Hampton was drugged, shot and killed in his bed during a predawn raid at hi…

That's a local PD killing someone, we know they do that a lot. People also get swatted, the FBI is not the only group of people who sends out local PDs in a way that gets citizens killed.

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Re: Espionage or Journalism? After the Snowden NSA Leaks (2020)

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Post by smingo »

whatshisface wrote: post #4
bediger4000 wrote: post #2

The "Snowden Associate" in the title is Bart Gellman, a long time Washington Post reporter who's covered national security issues in some detail for years and years. Just looking at his Wikipedia entry, he's been a thorn in the side of the DoD and other authorities forever. This is not to make light or, or poo-poo his concerns or the counter-measures he takes, but rather to note that he should be watching his back af…

There is no real evidence that the NSA kills its enemies or even that the CIA does when those enemies are American citizens.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamal_Derwish

Re: Espionage or Journalism? After the Snowden NSA Leaks (2020)

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Post by sha256sum »

whatshisface wrote: post #24
sha256sum wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Hampton Context: “ In 1967, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) identified Hampton as a radical threat. It tried to subvert his activities in Chicago, sowing disinformation among black progressive groups and placing a counterintelligence operative in the local Panthers organization. In December 1969, Hampton was drugged, shot and killed in his bed during a predawn raid at hi…

That's a local PD killing someone, we know they do that a lot. People also get swatted, the FBI is not the only group of people who sends out local PDs in a way that gets citizens killed.

Are you saying it’s irrelevant that federal agencies targeted this person because local PD fired the shot?

Re: Espionage or Journalism? After the Snowden NSA Leaks (2020)

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Post by boomboomsubban »

whatshisface wrote: post #25
boomboomsubban wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_al-Awlaki

So I guess Obama ordered the death of a citizen of his own country. So much for my defense.

While I'm not ignoring Obama's role in the attack,

>the strike was carried out by Joint Special Operations Command, under the direction of the CIA.

The CIA assassinating an American Citizen.

Re: Espionage or Journalism? After the Snowden NSA Leaks (2020)

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Post by the_only_law »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #29
whatshisface wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So I guess Obama ordered the death of a citizen of his own country. So much for my defense.

While I'm not ignoring Obama's role in the attack, >the strike was carried out by Joint Special Operations Command, under the direction of the CIA. The CIA assassinating an American Citizen.

> The CIA assassinating an American Citizen.

Oh they’ve done much worse to US citizens, and got away with it.

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