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The Psychedelic Experience: A new concept in psychotherapy (1962) [pdf]

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Re: The Psychedelic Experience: A new concept in psychotherapy (1962) [pdf]

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Post by renewiltord »

867-5309 wrote: post #5
tomatowurst wrote: post #4

i say it again and again whenever i see these threads: psilocybin mushroom kicks down depression so hard it can't get up and bother you again. no SSRIs, no marijuana after taking it. anxiety and ptsd are still there tho so i think that requires something else. also something about THC that seems to reverse the benefits I got from psilocybin. cessation of THC seems to put me "back" on track if that makes sense. discla…

what is your dosage and frequency?

I feel highly motivated when on and for a period after coming down. Dose: 3.5 mg dry fruit. Frequency: Maybe once a month; only recreationally with friends.

Re: The Psychedelic Experience: A new concept in psychotherapy (1962) [pdf]

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Post by pmoriarty »

jstx1 wrote: post #20
tomatowurst wrote: post #4

i say it again and again whenever i see these threads: psilocybin mushroom kicks down depression so hard it can't get up and bother you again. no SSRIs, no marijuana after taking it. anxiety and ptsd are still there tho so i think that requires something else. also something about THC that seems to reverse the benefits I got from psilocybin. cessation of THC seems to put me "back" on track if that makes sense. discla…

Why psilocybin and not LSD?

The focus of recent research in to psychedelics has been on psilocybin rather than LSD because, as one researcher joked, politicians don't know how to spell psilocybin.

LSD still has some scary connotations towards some of the older generation based on the sensationalism and scare-mongering of the 60's and 70's, while most people didn't know about psilocybin until researchers started reporting positive things about it in the last decade or so.

There have been some studies that showed that even experienced psychedelic users can't tell the difference between the major classic psychedelics, so there might be much actual difference between LSD and psilocybin in the last analysis... though more research is definitely needed.

Still, if any classic psychedelic is legalized in the US, the first one will probably be psilocybin.. and research will continue to focus mostly on it, for the above mentioned reasons.

Re: The Psychedelic Experience: A new concept in psychotherapy (1962) [pdf]

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Post by ghostly_s »

pmoriarty wrote: post #10
Trasmatta wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> disclaimer: ymmv, please get a sitter, if not, do it outside (best to do it on the grass) where you are safe, comfortable, and calm. I just want to echo how important this disclaimer is. There's no free lunch, and psilocybin can be incredibly challenging. For some people it is massively helpful for depression, but this is not a guarantee. Do your research and have a guide (if at all possible).

Something else that's critically important is to make sure you know what you're getting is actually psilocybin and not something else, and that the dosage actually is what you expect. If you're part of a research study at a respected institution, that's easy. Not so easy if you're getting it on the black/gray market or picking mushrooms yourself. So if you have to get it from the black/gray market, educate yourself t…

Psylocibin mushrooms are easy to propagate (as far as mushrooms go) and I’m not aware of any other psychoactive chemicals found in mushrooms that won't kill you, so what is it that you are concerned about? I've never heard of someone buying "counterfeit" magic mushrooms.

Re: The Psychedelic Experience: A new concept in psychotherapy (1962) [pdf]

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Post by pmoriarty »

ghostly_s wrote: post #23
pmoriarty wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Something else that's critically important is to make sure you know what you're getting is actually psilocybin and not something else, and that the dosage actually is what you expect. If you're part of a research study at a respected institution, that's easy. Not so easy if you're getting it on the black/gray market or picking mushrooms yourself. So if you have to get it from the black/gray market, educate yourself t…

Psylocibin mushrooms are easy to propagate (as far as mushrooms go) and I’m not aware of any other psychoactive chemicals found in mushrooms that won't kill you, so what is it that you are concerned about? I've never heard of someone buying "counterfeit" magic mushrooms.

"I've never heard of someone buying "counterfeit" magic mushrooms."

Just because you haven't heard of it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

First, mushrooms can be misidentified, due to carelessness or ignorance. A misidentified mushroom can be poisonous. So that's my primary concern.

Second, it's easy to just add whatever chemical you want to non-psychedelic mushrooms, so it's quite possible that you'll get some non-psychedelic mushrooms with some mystery drug added to them.

Third, if someone on the street (or even a friend) offers you something they claim is psilocybin, there's no way of knowing if it really is psilocybin unless you test it.

Figuring out the substance's purity/dosage is even more difficult, as labs in the US that do commercial drug testing aren't legally allowed to report purity, and reagent testing isn't going to tell you.

The amount of psilocybin/psilocyin in mushrooms also varies greatly, so going by gram of mushroom weight (dry or fresh?) isn't very reliable.. especially if you don't know exactly which species each of the mushrooms are and someone's just selling you some mystery "magic mushrooms".

Re: The Psychedelic Experience: A new concept in psychotherapy (1962) [pdf]

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Post by ghostly_s »

tomatowurst wrote: post #4

i say it again and again whenever i see these threads: psilocybin mushroom kicks down depression so hard it can't get up and bother you again. no SSRIs, no marijuana after taking it. anxiety and ptsd are still there tho so i think that requires something else. also something about THC that seems to reverse the benefits I got from psilocybin. cessation of THC seems to put me "back" on track if that makes sense. discla…

People might take your more seriously if you acknowledged that your personal experience is not necessarily universally applicable to the very large group of people who suffer depression.

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Post by dr_dshiv »

This is an incredible article. So beautifully and sensitively written. It is wonderful to know that the methods described here are just now becoming possible to enact legally.

But damn. Here’s the rough schedule: 200 mcg LSD at 9am followed up an hour later by a full dose of mescaline and then 5 hours later a dose of amphetamine. At 5:30p they are sent home with a friend and given a sleeping pill.

I’ve tried a lot, but that’s quite a day.

Re: The Psychedelic Experience: A new concept in psychotherapy (1962) [pdf]

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Post by DocG »

wnolens wrote: post #14
tomatowurst wrote: post #4

i say it again and again whenever i see these threads: psilocybin mushroom kicks down depression so hard it can't get up and bother you again. no SSRIs, no marijuana after taking it. anxiety and ptsd are still there tho so i think that requires something else. also something about THC that seems to reverse the benefits I got from psilocybin. cessation of THC seems to put me "back" on track if that makes sense. discla…

Any advice on the sitter? I don't have the perfect friend available, not sure there's an option here except to do it alone or not at all

1. You can have friend at your place nearby playing computer games or something else. Just there incase you panic or have issues. They should read up a bit before. Basically they are there to tell you that, example, you get anxiety, that you are fine and what you are feeling is not real and let go.

2. If no one is around stat with super low dose first time. And grow from there over months if you are scared. You'll understand after low dose what's coming and thank yourself later.

2. You can not have any and I mean any plans for that day. Not even I'll have to take the trash out in the evening, seriously. Turn the phone to airplane so no one can call and block messages. You do not want anything that requires functioning human from you. You could do that but it will ruin your time.

4. Outside - no matter how cozy your home is do it in your country house or somewhere where you are alone and feel safe, have a fallback house or place but still in nature. Dunno, rent something.

Re: The Psychedelic Experience: A new concept in psychotherapy (1962) [pdf]

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Post by vmception »

Trasmatta wrote: post #8
tomatowurst wrote: post #4

i say it again and again whenever i see these threads: psilocybin mushroom kicks down depression so hard it can't get up and bother you again. no SSRIs, no marijuana after taking it. anxiety and ptsd are still there tho so i think that requires something else. also something about THC that seems to reverse the benefits I got from psilocybin. cessation of THC seems to put me "back" on track if that makes sense. discla…

> disclaimer: ymmv, please get a sitter, if not, do it outside (best to do it on the grass) where you are safe, comfortable, and calm. I just want to echo how important this disclaimer is. There's no free lunch, and psilocybin can be incredibly challenging. For some people it is massively helpful for depression, but this is not a guarantee. Do your research and have a guide (if at all possible).

I just want to get to the point where what you wrote is written in fine print on the side of a bottle, specifically because the FDA saw it happen in the clinical trials for that specific use case

Instead we are just left with this hodgepodge of random completely different experiences controlled for nothing

Re: The Psychedelic Experience: A new concept in psychotherapy (1962) [pdf]

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Post by tomatowurst »

pmoriarty wrote: post #24
ghostly_s wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Psylocibin mushrooms are easy to propagate (as far as mushrooms go) and I’m not aware of any other psychoactive chemicals found in mushrooms that won't kill you, so what is it that you are concerned about? I've never heard of someone buying "counterfeit" magic mushrooms.

"I've never heard of someone buying "counterfeit" magic mushrooms." Just because you haven't heard of it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. First, mushrooms can be misidentified, due to carelessness or ignorance. A misidentified mushroom can be poisonous. So that's my primary concern. Second, it's easy to just add whatever chemical you want to non-psychedelic mushrooms, so it's quite possible that you'll get some non-ps…

This is ridiculous. People selling psilocybin mushrooms aren't going out of their way to sell you counterfeits because the profit margin is already so low for this category and you could easily tell apart shitake mushrooms from psilocybin mushrooms.

Nobody is on the streets selling psilocybin like they sell other drugs, it would be like people trying to pass off broccoli as marijuana.

I'm sorry but you sound like Nancy Reagan right now. You are trying to warn people about something that you yourself have barely experienced or knowledgeable about by taking some other tangent item and applying it here because it is "drugs".

Re: The Psychedelic Experience: A new concept in psychotherapy (1962) [pdf]

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Post by pmoriarty »

tomatowurst wrote: post #15
supertofu wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ayahuasca "cured" my depression. When I say "cured", I mean that it helped me experience my mind without depression. Because I was able to step out of depression for the first time since prepubescence, I realized it was possible for my mind to exist away from depression. That realization was profound and critical to regaining my mental health. Psychedelics are very powerful. Ayahuasca in particular can and does induc…

whew, ayahuasca is a whole different beast and frankly is frightens me and I don't think I ever want to be in a position where I do it. psilocybin's come up is frightening/anxiety/panic inducing as it is....I don't think I can ever jump over ayahuasca, that seems like a whole different animal. For me I feel like psilocybin "reset" my brain and there's some long lasting protection mechanism against depressive thinking…

Ayahuasca brews vary widely in composition, depending on who brews it.

I'd be very wary of some self-styled shaman adding datura or some other nightshade plant to the brew (which is not unheard of), and that's something I definitely want to stay far, far away from.

Unless I was brewing it myself I'd want nothing to do with it either, because I couldn't be sure of what I was getting.

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