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The Dubious Art of the Dad Joke

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Re: The Dubious Art of the Dad Joke

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I think jokes ground us to reality by interrupting the logic of ideas. The effects of people spinning and iterating on ideas without having them reconciled to humor or truth are pretty obvious. A great example is emo/goth kids (I was one) who construct and live-by the rules of a narrative fantasy governed by how well it reinforces an (aesthetic) filter on our reflection of self. We were pretty much the poster children for absent and unfunny fathers.

Also, laughter is involuntary. I take humor very seriously because all humor implies the necessary existence of truth, where every joke is a kind of figure/ground relationship against it. Dad jokes are an essential education that uses paradox and collisions in language to demonstrate to kids there is a self and experience moored to truth that is separate from the artifacts of language and narrative. Our self and ego also speak in language, and if there's one thing dads do, it's moderate your ego.

The link between humor and aggression in the article is interesting, especially because a father who lacks a certain level of natual masculine aggression is going to be percieved as insufficiently powerful, competent, or trustworthy, or lacking in the credibility to help ground a kids personality and identity to fixtures of truth and reality. An inability to make Dad jokes could be an example of that.

Personally, my pet theory is language begins mainly as a tool for mothers to keep their children safe, so the axioms of it are almost all necessarily negative, as it's initially used to warn of danger or disgust and shame, whereas love and affection are expressed physically. However, it means the self that is an artifact of language is also rooted in those things unless some dad shows you the limits of them and of how seriously you should take your narrative self.

When we think of a toxic male, it usually means is he is a shameless bro who doesn't respond to expressions of disgust or threats of witholding approval, and he usually learned it from another man, usually his father, who was probably pretty funny as well. If you pay attention, Dad jokes diffuse neuroticism, anxiety, shame, and the remnants of the levers for those necessary warnings we got as toddlers and are arguably necessary to us develop as men and women.

Re: The Dubious Art of the Dad Joke

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My kids have a habit of shouting, "Dad joke!" whenever I make a groaner. The other day, my wife made a great pun, and my son said, "Dad joke!" "No, it's a mom joke," she clarified. Then she educated them. "There are two differences between dad jokes and mom jokes. Number one, I'm a mom, not a dad, so I tell mom jokes." "What's the other difference?" a kid asked. "Number two," she sighed, looking in my direction. "Dad…

I don't get it?

If a dad joke isn't funny, a dad will keep telling the joke until it becomes funny. This will eventually happen. In the limit, the act of telling the joke becomes the actual source of humor.

This type of meta-humor takes some age and maturity to understand. A dedicated dad will tell the same joke for years, waiting for the child to become old enough to appreciate it.

Re: The Dubious Art of the Dad Joke

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, definitely. One either graduates to being able to not take oneself seriously (ie. by telling embarrassing and not-mean jokes, and sometimes being on the receiving end of one) or not. I'd like to think dad jokes are a good thing.

There is a lot of overlap but plenty of self-deprecating jokes are way too blue to be considered "dad jokes". Still I think you're right and that's just a variation of the same thing. Just... "adult" dad jokes. Makes me think of watching podcasts with people like the late greats Norm Macdonald, Gilbert Gottfried, and Bob Saget.

NSFW dad jokes are called uncle jokes.

Re: The Dubious Art of the Dad Joke

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post #6

My kids have a habit of shouting, "Dad joke!" whenever I make a groaner. The other day, my wife made a great pun, and my son said, "Dad joke!" "No, it's a mom joke," she clarified. Then she educated them. "There are two differences between dad jokes and mom jokes. Number one, I'm a mom, not a dad, so I tell mom jokes." "What's the other difference?" a kid asked. "Number two," she sighed, looking in my direction. "Dad…

I don't get it?

As a dad (who tells dad jokes), she's illustrating the fact that nothing stops us from telling dad jokes. We are relentless.

"Hi, Relentless. I'm Dad."

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Do we have to make the average middle-aged man into a buffoon to make up for our discomfort that a handful of older men have the unfair ability to boss us around? (e.g. Jeff Epstein, Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk?) (The reality that a group of less than 0.01% of the has so much power over the rest of us causes us to blame "the 1% percent" or "top 10%" or "the patriarchy", etc.)

I think I speak for a large majority of people here when I say:

What?

Re: The Dubious Art of the Dad Joke

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For me as a non-american, the concept od 'dad jokes' is totally alien. From perceived usage, it seems just as a different phrase for puns, with some negative association.

I'd never heard the term until a few years ago. They were just bad puns before that.

Re: The Dubious Art of the Dad Joke

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Do we have to make the average middle-aged man into a buffoon to make up for our discomfort that a handful of older men have the unfair ability to boss us around? (e.g. Jeff Epstein, Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk?) (The reality that a group of less than 0.01% of the has so much power over the rest of us causes us to blame "the 1% percent" or "top 10%" or "the patriarchy", etc.)

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