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The casualties at the other end of the remote-controlled kill

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Re: The casualties at the other end of the remote-controlled kill

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> What, you want a druggie at the controls of lethal weapons? I don’t care in slightest what someone does in their own time if it does no direct harm to anyone else. As long as he’s not under the influence on the job, I don’t care.

DoD cares. They have a zero-tolerance policy and regular drug testing.

[1] https://www.dvidshub.net/news/393472/new-forensic-toxicology...

Re: The casualties at the other end of the remote-controlled kill

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> There were missile strikes so hasty that they hit women and children, attacks built on such flimsy intelligence that they made targets of ordinary villagers, and classified rules of engagement that allowed the customer to knowingly kill up to 20 civilians when taking out an enemy. Why is the article focusing on the goon pulling the trigger, as opposed to these actual killed-dead casualties?

These stories are not mutually exclusive, The New York Times covers a lot of the victims' stories too (and there was at least one daily podcast on the subject within the past few months).

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> There were missile strikes so hasty that they hit women and children, attacks built on such flimsy intelligence that they made targets of ordinary villagers, and classified rules of engagement that allowed the customer to knowingly kill up to 20 civilians when taking out an enemy. Why is the article focusing on the goon pulling the trigger, as opposed to these actual killed-dead casualties?

Sounds a lot like war crimes to me.

Re: The casualties at the other end of the remote-controlled kill

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> What, you want a druggie at the controls of lethal weapons? I don’t care in slightest what someone does in their own time if it does no direct harm to anyone else. As long as he’s not under the influence on the job, I don’t care.

DoD cares. They have a zero-tolerance policy and regular drug testing. [1] https://www.dvidshub.net/news/393472/new-forensic-toxicology...

Yes, I know that, but how is it relevant?

Your question was to the audience here.

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I would strongly prefer someone who takes mushrooms and MDMA occasionally behind lethal weapons. It indicates I can trust them to reflect on their own decisions. In fact, I have little trust in people who don't take psychedelics, unless I have very good evidence that they have explored the dark recesses of their minds by some other means.

In fact, I have little trust in people who don't take psychedelics, unless I have very good evidence that they have explored the dark recesses of their minds by some other means.

Cool line, but I can't quite place it. Is that from Col. Kurtz's soliloquy in Apocalypse Now? Or Gen. Ripper in Dr. Strangelove?

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> There were missile strikes so hasty that they hit women and children, attacks built on such flimsy intelligence that they made targets of ordinary villagers, and classified rules of engagement that allowed the customer to knowingly kill up to 20 civilians when taking out an enemy. Why is the article focusing on the goon pulling the trigger, as opposed to these actual killed-dead casualties?

Or indeed, the "customer" who is ordering that these dubious strikes go ahead.

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Really now? I know Western newspapers like the NYTimes have become very, very enamoured with the military-industrial complex, and I get that, de facto, the US is at war, but why should anyone feel sorry for the people mentioned in the article, people whose mission is to kill some poor peasants herding their goats in the mountains of Yemen or who are attending a wedding somewhere in Afghanistan?

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Druggie is an utterly disgusting term. I urge you to indulge in some form of empathy. Btw. Everybody I’ve met in above average positions of our (US) military do drugs. Often, lots of them. In my anecdotal experience, it’s typically amphetamine stimulants, excessive alcohol, & various forms of sleeping pills. Opioids in those who have seen multiple combat tours or received injuries in various ways. Talking O-4’s and a…

By and large, excessive drinking is seen completely differently to ‘drug taking’. One is ok, or funny. The other isn’t.

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> What, you want a druggie at the controls of lethal weapons? I've got some bad news, ...

Nobody tell him about the last Commander in Chief of our military…

I can’t stand guy, but can’t fault him here. His personal usage of alcohol is the same as that of the current president - zero.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/30/us/trump-biden-alcohol.ht...

Re: The casualties at the other end of the remote-controlled kill

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> There were missile strikes so hasty that they hit women and children, attacks built on such flimsy intelligence that they made targets of ordinary villagers, and classified rules of engagement that allowed the customer to knowingly kill up to 20 civilians when taking out an enemy. Why is the article focusing on the goon pulling the trigger, as opposed to these actual killed-dead casualties?

Did you read the whole article? It actually covers a scenario where the wrong person was killed-dead due to some bad intel. In fact, the whole point of the article is that there's a population of people who got lied to and manipulated in order to kill people whose culpability was questionable at best. This is a completely valid journalistic subject, separate from the people who were killed.

You are asserting a critical thinking skill that really, most folks don't have. You are John LeCarre, most are Tom Clancy.
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