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Psychedelics and mental illness

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Re: Psychedelics and mental illness

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The reality is that people are open to anything that promises alleviation of suffering from what os diagnosed as "mental illness" because the mental health industry has proven to be a complete scam designed to keep people sick and provide them lifelong "treatments" that don't work.

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I know a lot of cannabis fans (and count myself as one). Very, very few of them acknowledge that cannabis affects people inconsistently; one person's reaction to it can be very different than others. This is inconvenient for calling it a "medicine" so let's just ignore it. Psychedelics are even worse. The same dose of the same drug can produce wildly vary effects in the same person depending on factors we have troubl…

It's fun to send this "MAYBE YOU JUST HAVENT TRIED THE RIGHT STRAIN" [1] image to friends who don't like weed because it's a pretty hilarious embodiment of the downright anxiety the stuff engenders in a lot of people. I'm pretty sure it's like a genetic thing. I think I remember hearing something about the COMT gene being potentially affected if you smoke too much too early in life as a teenage stoner or whatever, and how this can lead to mental illness down the line... There's a lot we really don't understand yet fully about these things.

[1] https://i.imgur.com/mJrlu1C.jpg

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I know a lot of cannabis fans (and count myself as one). Very, very few of them acknowledge that cannabis affects people inconsistently; one person's reaction to it can be very different than others. This is inconvenient for calling it a "medicine" so let's just ignore it. Psychedelics are even worse. The same dose of the same drug can produce wildly vary effects in the same person depending on factors we have troubl…

And we lack actual shamanic centers where we can do this stuff safely, where the dose is exact and you know what you're getting, and you can have guides to help you through the trip if things start feeling sketchy. And we could even have people on standby to administer anti-psychotic medicine in-case you have adverse reactions and need to calm down quickly before you do something stupid. The illegality of these subst…

Check out the Cover Story podcast mentioned in the article. It's pretty eye opening. They mention a few centers that historically you can categorize as unsafe. The key would be to find professionals that have your best interests in mind but the podcast and this article reveal how surprisingly difficult that is.

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The author says > Quite a few psychedelic drugs are naturally-occurring, and have been used for hundreds of years (this doesn’t include synthetic ones like LSD, obviously). LSD occurs naturally in the Ergot mushroom: > The ergot fungus contains a number of highly poisonous and psychoactive alkaloids, including lysergic acid (LSD), which was synthesized from the ergot fungus in 1938 by chemist, Albert Hoffmann [1] Wha…

LSA is naturally occurring in Hawaiian Baby Rose seed. LSD is not naturally occurring anywhere afaik.

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I like the article. With psychedelics, it's clear that much of the excitement comes from people (including scientists) who have used them and found their experiences helpful. That's not science but that doesn't mean it's wrong. Not everything is amenable to clinical study and this doesn't mean we should disregard it. And the issue isn't just psychedelics being hard to study. Mental health is hard to study. An overwei…

> Mental health depends on subjective feelings.

This isn’t correct in a lot of places. There is a number of diagnostic criteria. The most important being how much it affects your quality of life.

This can be directly measured by looking at how the individual functions day to day. An example is “Was the person able to shower regularly?” (This assumes the person wishes to shower if they have the ability and opportunity.)

It’s pretty easy to record the number of panic attacks or how often the person has suicidal ideation.

ADHD can be measured by asking the individual to preform tests under specific conditions.

Significant changes in psychosis and paranoia can readily be determined with structured interviews.

The problem is most of these things are not easily and correctly measured by a questionnaire. You need more expertise to get this information out of a patient.

Re: Psychedelics and mental illness

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The author says > Quite a few psychedelic drugs are naturally-occurring, and have been used for hundreds of years (this doesn’t include synthetic ones like LSD, obviously). LSD occurs naturally in the Ergot mushroom: > The ergot fungus contains a number of highly poisonous and psychoactive alkaloids, including lysergic acid (LSD), which was synthesized from the ergot fungus in 1938 by chemist, Albert Hoffmann [1] Wha…

The US Forest Service is just wrong on this. Ergot does not contain LSD, although it contains very similar psychoactive alkaloids. Ergot cannot be called a mushroom, it is a fungus that grows on wheat, rye or other grains/grasses.

Parent used the term mushroom, but the article does not.

It's correct that the fungus does not contain LSD the chemical, but it does contain lysergic acid which is colloquially LSD the drug. For a short, layman-targeted article I'm inclined to give the US Forest Service a pass on this one.

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This argument seems disingenuous: > Just as you’d feel extra-sceptical if all the research showing that pork is unhealthy was written by Muslims who’d already decided for religious reasons not to eat pork, you should be worried about the sheer number of studies by psychedelic researchers who are themselves aficionados of the drugs. Perhaps a better analogy would be: just as you'd feel extra-skeptical if all the resea…

Personally I think it's valid to consider selection-bias effects in authorship -- in general, things are written by the people who are the most excited about the topic, which leads to there being a bias towards excitement. I don't think it invalidates the research but it feels like a valid point.

I think an interesting observation is that this anti-psychedelics post is written by someone who doesn't even want to try them, so this argument of his also says to treat this blog post with skepticism.

Re: Psychedelics and mental illness

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And we lack actual shamanic centers where we can do this stuff safely, where the dose is exact and you know what you're getting, and you can have guides to help you through the trip if things start feeling sketchy. And we could even have people on standby to administer anti-psychotic medicine in-case you have adverse reactions and need to calm down quickly before you do something stupid. The illegality of these subst…

I think the issue starts with the moniker "shamanic", which does not sound like a place many people would trust their health to.

Well, I would rather say there are probably way too many people, who would totally trust such a place with their whole health, just because of the name and some other esoteric buzzwords like indigenous, ancient wisdom.

I do have great respect for "real" shamans. But I met way too many fake ones, handing out horrible and dangerous advice, while glowing in their self declared illuminative state of higher consciousness.

Re: Psychedelics and mental illness

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> A few years ago, John Ioannidis (RIP) published an article on conflicts of interest in nutrition research. The conflicts you get in this field, he said, are different from those in, say, Big Pharma-funded trials of new drugs. Not only are there those usual kinds of financial conflicts—some research is paid for by the food industry; nutrition scientists have diet books to sell—but there are “nonfinancial” conflicts, too. If you’re a strong adherent to the particular kind of diet you’re researching (vegan, Atkins, gluten-free, etc.), Ioannidis argued, you should disclose this at the end of the paper, so readers can be fully informed about how the research was produced.

I find it's common to see forum comments like "we know this researcher is a big advocate of X so this study is bias". I find this critique is usually very shallow and sets an impossible standard.

Where are you you going to find researchers pouring years of their life into researching a subject they have no interest in or opinions of?

If you were studying vegan or Atkins diets for example, it's an ongoing personal choice in your day-to-day life if you're going to switch to/from that diet or not, where either choice could be used to imply bias in your future studies. And after a few years of research, how could the evidence you collect not impact your personal choice? And if it doesn't, what would that say about your belief in your own research?

Researchers are trained to be aware of their biases, to devise experiments that reduce these biases, and peer review helps identify problems here also. Another part of peer review where the media jumps the gun is that other researchers should be able to replicate the studies themselves to check the results - if you become known for producing highly biased research that can't be replicated this is surely going to impact your career (e.g. less citations, less funding, distrust from peers) so there's a very strong incentive to keep this in check?

I think in general, the real problem here is the dysfunctional click-bait approach the media has with scientific reporting (exaggerated, sensationalist, premature, lacking any nuance/caveats/details) and the public's understanding of the scientific method is very broken e.g. the notion that scientists are always changing their minds, little understanding of how to evaluate how strong evidence is before accepting it as true, which includes dismissing everything about a study because they can create a story about one researcher being bias.

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