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Re: Richard Stallman Live-Session

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Post by saurik »

krapp wrote: post #6
533474 wrote: post #5

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Truth always lies in the middle. I suggest to read this article by Hannah Wolfman-Jones with a response from civil-rights expert Nadine Strossen about the whole ordeal and make up your mind [0]. I am indifferent but I think everyone should read the two sides of the story [0] https://www.wetheweb.org/post/cancel-we-the-web

That article doesn't show both sides of the story. It, as well as the response, paint Stallman as a moral paragon whose flaws are just points of virtue, and dismisses criticism of him as nothing but cancel culture hysteria. It doesn't even attempt to be neutral or sympathetic when portraying the "other side."

I would think the point was to have you read an article on the other side, not to find one magic article that presents both sides.

Re: Richard Stallman Live-Session

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Post by retrocryptid »

beefbudd69 wrote: post #7
na85 wrote: post #4

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No, the Free Software Foundation has decided that the best person to be the public face of the movement, the best person to represent Free Software, is a walking media shitstorm known to creep on women and actively drive them away from participating with his behavior[0], who seems to spend an awful lot of words defending pedophiles on his blog, and who eats his toenails on camera. That's who they think is the best le…

stallmans the founder and face of the free software movement plus most people like him despite the numerous hitpieces and toxic comments such as your own

my suspicion is most people "tolerate" him as he is irrelevant to their daily existence.

Re: Richard Stallman Live-Session

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Post by retrocryptid »

pipeline_peak wrote: post #11
na85 wrote: post #9

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Just about anyone would be better. Free Software is first and foremost a political movement. It would be better to have someone at the helm who isn't totally inept at navigating media and politics.

Literally some 15 yr old speaking in Eastern European lecture halls “I think free software would make the world better” is a better spokesperson.

How would a 15 year old in Eastern Europe have the opportunity to perv on women in tech in the US? Isn't that sort of the GNU brand? That and shitty docs.

Re: Richard Stallman Live-Session

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Post by krapp »

fsflover wrote: post #19
krapp wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That article doesn't show both sides of the story. It, as well as the response, paint Stallman as a moral paragon whose flaws are just points of virtue, and dismisses criticism of him as nothing but cancel culture hysteria. It doesn't even attempt to be neutral or sympathetic when portraying the "other side."

Which article shows both sides fairly?

If I ever see one, I'll let you know. The politics around Richard Stallman seem to be such that no one without an agenda would write such an article to begin with.

Re: Richard Stallman Live-Session

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Post by pipeline_peak »

retrocryptid wrote: post #23
pipeline_peak wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Literally some 15 yr old speaking in Eastern European lecture halls “I think free software would make the world better” is a better spokesperson.

How would a 15 year old in Eastern Europe have the opportunity to perv on women in tech in the US? Isn't that sort of the GNU brand? That and shitty docs.

>How would a 15 year old in Eastern Europe have the opportunity to perv on women in tech in the US?

I never implied he would've had the opportunity.

I should've elaborated, I meant a 15 year old traveling to eastern European lecture halls to blah blah blah GNU would be better than a 30 yr retired, water bucket showering, absent minded professor-like toe jam muncher.

Re: Richard Stallman Live-Session

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Post by flykespice »

t-3 wrote: post #16
na85 wrote: post #4

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No, the Free Software Foundation has decided that the best person to be the public face of the movement, the best person to represent Free Software, is a walking media shitstorm known to creep on women and actively drive them away from participating with his behavior[0], who seems to spend an awful lot of words defending pedophiles on his blog, and who eats his toenails on camera. That's who they think is the best le…

Free software wouldn't even exist as a movement if it weren't for Stallman. Linux and *BSD wouldn't exist. Emacs and gcc wouldn't exist. Stallman is the FSF and they're irrelevant without him.

Lmao he is just a figurehead. Fsf doesn't depends on or needs him

Re: Richard Stallman Live-Session

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Post by d_tr »

pipeline_peak wrote: post #25
retrocryptid wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How would a 15 year old in Eastern Europe have the opportunity to perv on women in tech in the US? Isn't that sort of the GNU brand? That and shitty docs.

>How would a 15 year old in Eastern Europe have the opportunity to perv on women in tech in the US? I never implied he would've had the opportunity. I should've elaborated, I meant a 15 year old traveling to eastern European lecture halls to blah blah blah GNU would be better than a 30 yr retired, water bucket showering, absent minded professor-like toe jam muncher.

Why specifically in Eastern Europe though?

Re: Richard Stallman Live-Session

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Post by [deleted] »

d_tr wrote: post #28
pipeline_peak wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>How would a 15 year old in Eastern Europe have the opportunity to perv on women in tech in the US? I never implied he would've had the opportunity. I should've elaborated, I meant a 15 year old traveling to eastern European lecture halls to blah blah blah GNU would be better than a 30 yr retired, water bucket showering, absent minded professor-like toe jam muncher.

Why specifically in Eastern Europe though?

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Re: Richard Stallman Live-Session

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Post by krapp »

saurik wrote: post #21
krapp wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That article doesn't show both sides of the story. It, as well as the response, paint Stallman as a moral paragon whose flaws are just points of virtue, and dismisses criticism of him as nothing but cancel culture hysteria. It doesn't even attempt to be neutral or sympathetic when portraying the "other side."

I would think the point was to have you read an article on the other side, not to find one magic article that presents both sides.

No, the point was for the author to present their inclusion of Richard Stallman as co-author of their book as some kind of valiant effort in defense of free speech and against the cancel culture she believes unfairly maligns him. The point of the response in that article was not to provide a contrary point of view but to further defend Richard Stallman and portray his critics as enemies of free speech engaged in a witch-hunt.

And no charitable reading of a comment that says "Truth always lies in the middle. I suggest to read this article by Hannah Wolfman-Jones with a response from civil-rights expert Nadine Strossen about the whole ordeal and make up your mind" implies said article will only show the pro-Stallman point of view (literally to sell a book with his name on it) while arguments pro the other side are to be left entirely as an exercise for the reader, rather than presenting a point and counterpoint.

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