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Never hose out a Honda Element

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Re: Never hose out a Honda Element

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post #12

It looks like this is a Honda Element fan site. But I wonder if floor panel rusting is a design flaw, how come the lawyers haven't all jump on the class action suit bandwagon...

Floor panels rust if they end up in constant contact with dampness, it's not a design flaw so much as the expected result. You should never let the floor inside the car stay damp/wet.

In places where salt is heavily used on roads new floor pans are something you'll see regularly completely rusted out.

Re: Never hose out a Honda Element

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post #12

It looks like this is a Honda Element fan site. But I wonder if floor panel rusting is a design flaw, how come the lawyers haven't all jump on the class action suit bandwagon...

Unless Honda advertised or recommended hosing it out, what would lawyers go after? As far as I know Honda themselves didn't advertise this, it was some odd public myth that spread rapidly

Re: Never hose out a Honda Element

#23
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having driven Land Rovers in the form of series, defender and discovery, I wouldn’t hose one out either. The upholstery rots and stinks and the fittings go rusty too. If you’re doing wading and off road stuff you need to tear the entire guts out and start again. And then the bulkhead equipped vehicles will fall to bits within a few years as well.

I've been hosing out my Defenders and wading them above the door seals for years and there's no significant rust yet. They have rubber floor mats instead of upholstery. But they are maintained professionally.

You won’t find it until your foot goes through something or something falls off. I had a 1990 defender 90 which was 8 years old and the bulkhead was invisibly rotten in various places. That got very expensive very quickly. A friend has a more modern 110 that’s only 6 years old and has the same problem.

This is not an issue in some areas and dry climates as a rule but in the UK it sucks owning one.

I don’t own one now. I drive a little French go cart then I use my legs for off road. They last longer, don’t go rusty and run on dried fruit and sandwiches.

Re: Never hose out a Honda Element

#24
post #15

That's not even really severe rust - most of it is just surface, easy to treat it with naval jelly/rust neutralizer.

The second photo shows two large holes in the driver footwell and one in the passenger side. The last 4 photos show where it was cut out and patched. It's not difficult to patch with some sheet metal and a welder, but it's labor intensive.

Re: Never hose out a Honda Element

#26
post #16

Random FYI, but the article shows repairs using POR15 paint. It's pretty nasty to work with, and I highly recommend MasterSeries paint as an alternative: http://masterseriesct.com No affiliation, just learned the hard way with my 1960s VW Beetle.

Reminded me where I have seen POR-15 before. Seems to be good stuff. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ag46YUovPUc

Re: Never hose out a Honda Element

#27
post #10

I'm curious how this is currently the top story on HN. A now-discontinued and otherwise entirely unremarkable family vehicle is not able to be inundated with water without serious consequences, much like the overwhelming majority of passenger vehicles made before or since. Who is the audience for this?

And yet we've clicked on it!

Re: Never hose out a Honda Element

#28
post #17
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having driven Land Rovers in the form of series, defender and discovery, I wouldn’t hose one out either. The upholstery rots and stinks and the fittings go rusty too. If you’re doing wading and off road stuff you need to tear the entire guts out and start again. And then the bulkhead equipped vehicles will fall to bits within a few years as well.

A lot of Landrovers used in off roady places around the world are ex-army models. Maybe they were more water tolerantly trimmed. E.g. at one point you could buy Landrover Rover Wolf fairly cheap I think

Not really. The wolfs suck. 24v electrics and stripped bare of everything even remotely nice. And yes they go rusty too. They mostly tend to survive in desert climates longer as they are surrounded by desiccants and clever engineers who can weld things that fell off back on again.

Re: Never hose out a Honda Element

#30

I don't get it - would you would think you can hose out a consumer car like this, with the fabric seats and all that plastic trim? I've hosed out Land Rovers, but they're clearly an off-road vehicle designed for wading.

It's in the video embedded at the bottom. What appears to be a representative of Honda says the following about the then-concept car (0:40):

"It's got kind of a wash-and-wear interior. You can kind of completely hose out the interior if you wanted to."

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