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iPhone 4S Pre-Orders Top One Million in First 24 Hours

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Re: iPhone 4S Pre-Orders Top One Million in First 24 Hours

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Post by Meai »

dr_ wrote: post #14

Even before this announcement, it is beyond me how anyone can argue that this is not the best smartphone on the market. It has an incredibly fast processor, fantastic camera, one of the most popular music hubs (iTunes), the largest app store and probably the most advanced AI technology in a phone. When the technorati (and, to be honest, most bloggers have been supportive of the product) diss this phone, are they actu…

Let's stay on the ground here. Yeah it is better.. because it's new. There are many phones with a good camera, which will be enough for many people. Most advanced AI technology? I guess so, other phones don't have any AI technology. How fast the processor is, is mostly irrelevant unless the phone can't handle its own UI.

I own a Windows Phone because it was very cheap (180 Euros) and it's essentially the same as an IPhone from a functionality and design viewpoint.

Re: iPhone 4S Pre-Orders Top One Million in First 24 Hours

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Post by viscanti »

thatjoshguy wrote: post #15
tolmasky wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is a stretch. This is the absolute best product launch in the history of Apple in terms of pre-order. We still have all the people that are actually going to go in and buy the thing on Friday in real life! Not to mention it has been more than 24 hours so who knows how big the total number of pre-orders is. So you got a Blackberry 9000 despite it not being everything you wanted? But did you get it in the…

It's 'disappointing' in the sense that, although it is more powerful and arguably better than the previous generation, people were wanting more substantial improvements.

SunSpider results show that the browser is twice as fast as the previous generation. The processor is twice as fast with a 7x graphics performance improvement. That's a substantial improvement over an already good product.

When you say people were wanting more substantial improvements, what you really meant was that they wanted a different name (iPhone 5) and case design. If the iPhone 4S internals were put into a different case and was called the iPhone 5, we wouldn't be hearing complaints. These complaints are superficial (at best), and the overwhelming initial demand is showing that many people don't find those issues at all.

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Post by saturdaysaint »

antr wrote: post #5

Good for Apple. I'm happy that internet 'gurus' and Wall St are proven wrong again when saying that the 4S was a disappointing product...

To put the disappointed reaction in perspective, I'd say it was roughly the same reaction the iPad received upon its introduction - it was just a "big iPhone". I can't believe it's still going over people's heads, but Apple releases simple products with limited feature sets. Well after the iPhone's release, many people argued somewhat persuasively that Nokia phones from 2004 were light-years ahead of the iPhone. Almost every iPod (excepting the Nano and Touch) was met with that same kind of "eh, nothing new" derision.

Re: iPhone 4S Pre-Orders Top One Million in First 24 Hours

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Post by philfreo »

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #2

Up 66% percent, roughly the same rate that the entire market is growing. It's almost uncanny how the iPhone manages to maintain its near-constant share of this rapidly growing market. A visual chart of this phenomenon: http://blog.nielsen.com/nielsenwire/wp-content/uploads/2011/...

This graph is quite old now. Updated version?

Re: iPhone 4S Pre-Orders Top One Million in First 24 Hours

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Post by danssig »

dr_ wrote: post #14

Even before this announcement, it is beyond me how anyone can argue that this is not the best smartphone on the market. It has an incredibly fast processor, fantastic camera, one of the most popular music hubs (iTunes), the largest app store and probably the most advanced AI technology in a phone. When the technorati (and, to be honest, most bloggers have been supportive of the product) diss this phone, are they actu…

>Even before this announcement, it is beyond me how anyone can argue that this is not the best smartphone on the market.

Because, just as people complain about irrational "fanboys", there are also irrational "haters". If Android was a huge, old-style brick phone with a pull-out antenna windows CE style interface Apple haters would be talking about how great it is and how much better it is than the 4S.

Re: iPhone 4S Pre-Orders Top One Million in First 24 Hours

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Post by ugh »

thatjoshguy wrote: post #15
tolmasky wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is a stretch. This is the absolute best product launch in the history of Apple in terms of pre-order. We still have all the people that are actually going to go in and buy the thing on Friday in real life! Not to mention it has been more than 24 hours so who knows how big the total number of pre-orders is. So you got a Blackberry 9000 despite it not being everything you wanted? But did you get it in the…

It's 'disappointing' in the sense that, although it is more powerful and arguably better than the previous generation, people were wanting more substantial improvements.

And what exactly were those people wanting?

Re: iPhone 4S Pre-Orders Top One Million in First 24 Hours

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Post by xlevus »

dr_ wrote: post #14

Even before this announcement, it is beyond me how anyone can argue that this is not the best smartphone on the market. It has an incredibly fast processor, fantastic camera, one of the most popular music hubs (iTunes), the largest app store and probably the most advanced AI technology in a phone. When the technorati (and, to be honest, most bloggers have been supportive of the product) diss this phone, are they actu…

I might agree, it looks like a nice phone. Possibly better than the Android competition.

But the underlying issue I have with the iPhone, is the lack of freedom I get with it. I don't want to (and more or less can't) be restricted to iTunes, and feel I shouldn't have to void my warranty to use the device how I see fit.

Re: iPhone 4S Pre-Orders Top One Million in First 24 Hours

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Post by hahaiamatwork »

dr_ wrote: post #14

Even before this announcement, it is beyond me how anyone can argue that this is not the best smartphone on the market. It has an incredibly fast processor, fantastic camera, one of the most popular music hubs (iTunes), the largest app store and probably the most advanced AI technology in a phone. When the technorati (and, to be honest, most bloggers have been supportive of the product) diss this phone, are they actu…

There's only really a couple of points in your post that are valid, so I'll go through each point you made.

1. Phones with the same class of processor have been available for some time now. Tegra 2 is a dual core 1ghz SoC and there are 1.2 and 1.5ghz dual cores from competitors, with a quad core 1.5ghz due from Nvidia within the next few months.

2. The camera may be excellent, but previous phones have applied some bad automatic settings to this, making adjusting of photos result in unnecessary detail loss.

3. iTunes and the App Store I won't argue against, but it's worthy of note now that competitors are approaching Apple with these features.

4. As far as the AI goes, I doubt it will ever see significant widespread adoption. Nobody has yet been able to give me a few good solid examples of use outside of 'play this album' and 'set a reminder for x'. Facetime was supposed to be the be-all and end-all of video chatting. I think I have used it once.

5. The general point about carriers is almost certainly stated by an American. iPhones have been available on many carriers in many countries, and still Android is advancing significantly.

6. You're ignoring the significant downsides to the iOS ecosystem. For example, if you purchase apps, you would be better off with an Android. Why? Because purchasing those apps on an iPhone means that the associated cost of switching to any other platform increases by the value of those apps. That cannot be justified as a 'good thing'.

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Post by reidmain »

hahaiamatwork wrote: post #28
dr_ wrote: post #14

Even before this announcement, it is beyond me how anyone can argue that this is not the best smartphone on the market. It has an incredibly fast processor, fantastic camera, one of the most popular music hubs (iTunes), the largest app store and probably the most advanced AI technology in a phone. When the technorati (and, to be honest, most bloggers have been supportive of the product) diss this phone, are they actu…

There's only really a couple of points in your post that are valid, so I'll go through each point you made. 1. Phones with the same class of processor have been available for some time now. Tegra 2 is a dual core 1ghz SoC and there are 1.2 and 1.5ghz dual cores from competitors, with a quad core 1.5ghz due from Nvidia within the next few months. 2. The camera may be excellent, but previous phones have applied some ba…

You're ignoring the significant downsides to the Android ecosystem. For example, if you purchase apps, you would be better off with an iPhone. Why? Because purchasing those apps on an Android phone means that the associated cost of switching to any other platform increases by the value of those apps. That cannot be justified as a 'good thing'.

Re: iPhone 4S Pre-Orders Top One Million in First 24 Hours

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Post by smackfu »

dr_ wrote: post #14

Even before this announcement, it is beyond me how anyone can argue that this is not the best smartphone on the market. It has an incredibly fast processor, fantastic camera, one of the most popular music hubs (iTunes), the largest app store and probably the most advanced AI technology in a phone. When the technorati (and, to be honest, most bloggers have been supportive of the product) diss this phone, are they actu…

OTOH, how many of the people who are watching and commenting on Apple keynotes have even tried the latest Android phones?
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