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Re: Dall-E 2

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Post by eganist »

The timing of the Dall-E 2 launch an hour ago seems to correspond with a recent piece of investigative journalism by Buzzfeed News about one of Sam Altman's other ventures, published 15 hours ago and discussed elsewhere actively on HN right now:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30931614

I point this out because while Dall-E 2 seems interesting (I'm out of my depth, so delegating to the conversation taking place here), the timing of its release as well as accompanying press blasts within the last hour from sites like TheVerge—verified via wayback machine queries and time-restricted googling—seems both noteworthy and worth a deeper conversation given what was just published about Worldcoin.

To be clear, it's worth asking if Dall-E 2 was published ahead of schedule without an actual product release (only a waitlist) to potentially move the spotlight away from Worldcoin.

Re: Dall-E 2

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Post by latexr »

What confusing pricing[1]:

> Prices are per 1,000 tokens. You can think of tokens as pieces of words, where 1,000 tokens is about 750 words. This paragraph is 35 tokens.

Further down, in the FAQ[2]:

> For English text, 1 token is approximately 4 characters or 0.75 words. As a point of reference, the collected works of Shakespeare are about 900,000 words or 1.2M tokens.

> To learn more about how tokens work and estimate your usage…

> Experiment with our interactive Tokenizer tool.

And it goes on. When most questions in your FAQ are about understanding pricing—to the point you need to offer a specialised tool—perhaps consider a different model?

[1]: https://openai.com/api/pricing/

[2]: https://openai.com/api/pricing/#faq-token

Re: Dall-E 2

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Post by dj_mc_merlin »

binarymax wrote: post #11
andybak wrote: post #3

Preventing Harmful Generations We’ve limited the ability for DALL·E 2 to generate violent, hate, or adult images. By removing the most explicit content from the training data, we minimized DALL·E 2’s exposure to these concepts. We also used advanced techniques to prevent photorealistic generations of real individuals’ faces, including those of public figures. "And we've also closed off a huge range of potentially int…

Removing these areas to mitigate misuse is a good thing and worth the trade off. Companies like OpenAI have a responsibility to society. Imagine the prompt “A photorealistic Joe Biden killing a priest”. If you asked an artist to do the same they might say no. Adding guiderails to a machine that can’t make ethical decisions is a good thing.

Oh, no, the society! A picture of Joe Biden killing a priest!

Society didn't collapse after photoshop. "Responsibility to society" is such a catch-all excuse.

Re: Dall-E 2

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Post by pingeroo »

andreyk wrote: post #15
5350-uiop-1130 wrote: post #12

So what does the future of human creativity look like when an AI can generate possibly infinite variations of an idea.

AI becomes a tool for artists to use - generative art has been around for a long time, now that particular genre of art will presumably become much more prominent. For anyone pondering such questions, I would recommend reading "The Past, Present, and Future of AI Art" - https://thegradient.pub/the-past-present-and-future-of-ai-ar...

Wouldn't it be more like, "AI becomes an artist for people to use"? Will we have people distinguished as "artists" if the ability to make awesome art becomes available to everybody?

Re: Dall-E 2

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Post by KevinGlass »

Something about this makes me nauseous. Perhaps is the fact that soon the market value for creatives is going to fall to a hair about zero for all but the most famous. We will be all the poorer for it when 95% of images you see are AI generated. There will be niches of course but in a few short years it'll be over for a huge swathe of creative professionals who are already struggling.

Some of the images also hit me with a creep factor, like the bears on the corgis in the art gallery, but that maybe only because I know it's AI generated.

Re: Dall-E 2

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Post by duxup »

eganist wrote: post #21

The timing of the Dall-E 2 launch an hour ago seems to correspond with a recent piece of investigative journalism by Buzzfeed News about one of Sam Altman's other ventures, published 15 hours ago and discussed elsewhere actively on HN right now: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30931614 I point this out because while Dall-E 2 seems interesting (I'm out of my depth, so delegating to the conversation taking place h…

What's the idea here? They quickly put out this to somehow hide other stories?

Re: Dall-E 2

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Post by chpatrick »

KevinGlass wrote: post #26

Something about this makes me nauseous. Perhaps is the fact that soon the market value for creatives is going to fall to a hair about zero for all but the most famous. We will be all the poorer for it when 95% of images you see are AI generated. There will be niches of course but in a few short years it'll be over for a huge swathe of creative professionals who are already struggling. Some of the images also hit me w…

Just wait until they figure out music.

Re: Dall-E 2

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Post by nahuel0x »

andreyk wrote: post #17
smusamashah wrote: post #8

This is mind blowing. I was not expecting the sketch style images to actually look like sketches. Style transfer based sketches never look like sketches. This and the current AI generated art scene makes it looks like that artwork is now a "solved" problem. See AI generated art on twitter etc. There is a strong relation between the prompt and the generated images but just like GPT-3, it fails to fully understand what…

I would caution that artwork is only 'solved' with relatively simple text prompts. To create a novel painting with a precise mix of elements that would take a paragraph or more to explain is still tough, though DALL-E 2 does seem like a big step towards that.

Also note you can make an image out of many spatially localized prompts combined, in an iterative IA-human process.

Re: Dall-E 2

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Post by tomrod »

5350-uiop-1130 wrote: post #12

So what does the future of human creativity look like when an AI can generate possibly infinite variations of an idea.

I seem to recall an XKCD that I cannot find, but the premise goes like:

When you have a digital display of pixels, if you randomly color pixels at 24 fps then you will eventually display every movie that can be or will ever be made, powerset notwithstanding. This can also be tied to digital audio.

In short, while mind-blowingly large, the space of display through digital means is finite.

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