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What’s new in Emacs 28.1?

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Re: What’s new in Emacs 28.1?

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Post by almost »

ilovecaching wrote: post #5

It amazes me that developers pick closed source Jetbrains and Microsoft spyware for the program they rely on to make a living when Emacs and Vim/Neovim get better by leaps and bounds every year. Emacs has packages that VSCode can only dream of having and with Emacs distributions or really just lsp-mode you can have a full fledged IDE with 0 fiddling. I recently did some digging into the editor usage of noteworthy pro…

As someone who uses Emacs for (almost) all my editing needs and has done for about 17 years I just don’t understand how you can have these beliefs. LSP-mode is great and now with things like Spacemacs and Doom Emacs getting setup and getting things reasonably configured is a lot easier. But still!

VSCode is pretty cool and is easy to use right out of the box. It does some things with ease that would be very hard with Emacs. And JetBrains looks like it does some amazing stuff.

I still end up sticking with Emacs myself, but the idea that that it’s perfect and simple and for everyone and that there’s no sensible reasons to use the other options is just insane.

Re: What’s new in Emacs 28.1?

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Post by rayiner »

bennyp101 wrote: post #19
ilovecaching wrote: post #5

It amazes me that developers pick closed source Jetbrains and Microsoft spyware for the program they rely on to make a living when Emacs and Vim/Neovim get better by leaps and bounds every year. Emacs has packages that VSCode can only dream of having and with Emacs distributions or really just lsp-mode you can have a full fledged IDE with 0 fiddling. I recently did some digging into the editor usage of noteworthy pro…

"you can have a full fledged IDE with 0 fiddling" - that is 100% not a thing that has ever happened to me whenever I go and look at emacs/vim! Modal editing is not really something that is needed anymore, and a lot of people don't have time to learn a new language just to move about in their IDE - just click the mouse button ...

Emacs isn’t a modal editor!

Re: What’s new in Emacs 28.1?

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Post by criddell »

ilovecaching wrote: post #5

It amazes me that developers pick closed source Jetbrains and Microsoft spyware for the program they rely on to make a living when Emacs and Vim/Neovim get better by leaps and bounds every year. Emacs has packages that VSCode can only dream of having and with Emacs distributions or really just lsp-mode you can have a full fledged IDE with 0 fiddling. I recently did some digging into the editor usage of noteworthy pro…

You might be surprised that many of us use Vim or Emacs and also VSCode or Sublime or Visual Studio or IntelliJ or XCode or ...

Every tool has strengths and weaknesses. Plus, some of us enjoy learning new tools and find it fun to switch things up occasionally.

Re: What’s new in Emacs 28.1?

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Post by ioseph »

ilovecaching wrote: post #5

It amazes me that developers pick closed source Jetbrains and Microsoft spyware for the program they rely on to make a living when Emacs and Vim/Neovim get better by leaps and bounds every year. Emacs has packages that VSCode can only dream of having and with Emacs distributions or really just lsp-mode you can have a full fledged IDE with 0 fiddling. I recently did some digging into the editor usage of noteworthy pro…

I use neovim within vscode. All the power of vim but with intellisense and debugging working with minimal configuration.

As for telemetry, all my work lives in Azure so I assume Microsoft are already collecting what they want about our codebase (which is publicly visible) already.

Re: What’s new in Emacs 28.1?

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Post by pfortuny »

rayiner wrote: post #17

I was an Emacs user back in my software writing days, but I thought I had left it behind when I became a lawyer. Over the past month or two however I’ve moved more and more of my workflow over to Emacs. I started with using Org Mode and PDF tools for note taking and reviewing PDFs and task management: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30492373 . More recently I switched my email over to mu4e: https://www.emacswiki…

For mu4e and Exchange, I use:

-offlineimap

both linux and macos.

and in my home laptop, davmail because it allows me to use 2FA, which has been implemented at my Uni for external use.

Re: What’s new in Emacs 28.1?

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Post by Ensorceled »

ilovecaching wrote: post #18
mateuszf wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It amazes me that developers pick closed source Jetbrains JetBrains Intellij Idea Community Edition is open source

Jetbrains products are only partially open source, which makes them non-free and still spyware due to telemetry we can’t see.

Do you have a reference for "Jetbrains products are ... spyware due to telemetry we can’t see."

Re: What’s new in Emacs 28.1?

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Post by imglorp »

rayiner wrote: post #17

I was an Emacs user back in my software writing days, but I thought I had left it behind when I became a lawyer. Over the past month or two however I’ve moved more and more of my workflow over to Emacs. I started with using Org Mode and PDF tools for note taking and reviewing PDFs and task management: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30492373 . More recently I switched my email over to mu4e: https://www.emacswiki…

As usual https://xkcd.com/297 on point

Re: What’s new in Emacs 28.1?

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Post by jaster »

epolanski wrote: post #3

OT for this particular release, but I'd like to point out that one of the best features of emacs and its ecosystem is that plugins, libraries and software are almost always self-documenting. You want to read the documentation or delve into the implementation of a feature of your programs it is literally right there in your editor instead of having to jump to some, potentially outdated, website documentation or having…

Yeah emacs was a revelation for me on this regard, that the idea of "Free Software" could be more than just providing souce code and license.

Emacs is actually explicitly designed to give you full power to explore, discover and modify it in order to tailor it to your needs and whims.

Re: What’s new in Emacs 28.1?

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Post by [deleted] »

willbw wrote: post #15
ilovecaching wrote: post #5

It amazes me that developers pick closed source Jetbrains and Microsoft spyware for the program they rely on to make a living when Emacs and Vim/Neovim get better by leaps and bounds every year. Emacs has packages that VSCode can only dream of having and with Emacs distributions or really just lsp-mode you can have a full fledged IDE with 0 fiddling. I recently did some digging into the editor usage of noteworthy pro…

I'm going to assume this isn't trolling and if it is, you fooled me. I've use Vim professionally, as well as VSCode and Jetbrains IDEs and dabbled in Emacs - the idea that one can replicate what IntelliJ does for Java for instance in any other IDE or text editor is to me, nonsensical. The amount of configuration it would require in vim/neovim/vscode to replicate the refactoring ability of IntelliJ alone would take yo…

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Re: What’s new in Emacs 28.1?

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Post by devin »

adlpz wrote: post #20
ilovecaching wrote: post #5

It amazes me that developers pick closed source Jetbrains and Microsoft spyware for the program they rely on to make a living when Emacs and Vim/Neovim get better by leaps and bounds every year. Emacs has packages that VSCode can only dream of having and with Emacs distributions or really just lsp-mode you can have a full fledged IDE with 0 fiddling. I recently did some digging into the editor usage of noteworthy pro…

I'm not saying that yours is necessarily the case, of course I don't know, but I feel like lots of people that hold opinions like yours greatly underestimate the amount of functionality that comes with something like a Jetbrains IDE. It's not even about the editor itself, nor the graphical or UX stuff. It's the crazy level of introspection and of understanding your code those IDEs bring. My daily experience is just i…

For a long time I would have agreed, but LSP has democratized the space quite a bit. If an editor has a good LSP story, it’ll be able to do all of the renaming, extracting, finding references, etc.
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