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Twitter is using its embedded JavaScript to hide tweets that have been deleted

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Re: Twitter is using its embedded JavaScript to hide tweets that have been deleted

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fix the title please An apostrophe as a possessive marker in its is nonstandard: https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/it%27s#Etymology_2

Curious if there’s any reason this is of particular importance. E.g. is it bad for screen readers?

Re: Twitter is using its embedded JavaScript to hide tweets that have been deleted

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The real problem imo is twitter allowing people to delete their tweets at all. They need a no takesy backsies policy.

That would cause problems with regulations in the EU, as there is a “right to be forgotten”.

Re: Twitter is using its embedded JavaScript to hide tweets that have been deleted

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Twitter is making a privacy tradeoff by removing content from my website in the case where it doesn’t have anything to enhance the content with? That sure seems hostile.

Consider it from the context of a "right to be forgotten" though. Setting aside whether that should be a legal right, there's certainly some kind of argument that if the right-to-be-forgotten is at some level a moral good, then technologies that assist in enforcing that right have at least some level of moral justification in doing so. Does that override the rights of a website operator to expect that their tools wil…

I think we need to look at this more like grading on a curve.

If I were still actively using Twitter and posting something that I later delete - OK. I can see the argument from a 'right to be forgotten' point of view. If the president of the US does so to beautify the public record, not so much.

In Germany we have the concept of a person of public interest. People who are publicly visible due to their position in politics, media, entertainment or because they try to have their face seen by any camera lens available, need to "endure" more public/media scrutiny than Jane Doe from next door.

The problem is, that this can only be decided (in a conflict) by due process in a court of law.

So Twitter deciding to use privacy as an argument to enable a few reported on whales to beautify their record (because let's be fair, who embedded a tweet from Jane Doe?) seems at least questionable.

Re: Twitter is using its embedded JavaScript to hide tweets that have been deleted

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Functionality aside embedding random scripts from twitter seems like a big risk for security and privacy. At a minimum, it should probably be embedded in a sandboxed iframe. Just taking a screenshot, and linking to the tweet, seems like a more robust solution, that won't randomly stop working, and doesn't have the same privacy issues.

Totally agree. I wonder if this is by-design. Lots of companies would love to have control of a javascript snippet operating on the worlds biggest websites.

Re: Twitter is using its embedded JavaScript to hide tweets that have been deleted

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Functionality aside embedding random scripts from twitter seems like a big risk for security and privacy. At a minimum, it should probably be embedded in a sandboxed iframe. Just taking a screenshot, and linking to the tweet, seems like a more robust solution, that won't randomly stop working, and doesn't have the same privacy issues.

There should be an HTML tag or something that downloads and embeds HTML from a remote site without scripting

Re: Twitter is using its embedded JavaScript to hide tweets that have been deleted

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It’s not even that twitter is hostile; allowing any third–party javascript onto your website is a mistake.

But how will marketing determine the effectiveness of their efforts if I don't "just add a single line of code" for every social media company to our website?

It is even worse than that. Google nowadays still uses this argument telling you that only this way they can optimize your ad placement towards Conversions.

While at the same time telling you (in their documentation) that due to script blockers and gdpr they just estimate (using more fancy terms and talking about ML & AI) the Conversions they report (and use for optimization).

They basically tell you: Trust us - we estimate your success in the best of your interest. As if they were a neutral party in that equation.

Re: Twitter is using its embedded JavaScript to hide tweets that have been deleted

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post #21
post #7

fix the title please An apostrophe as a possessive marker in its is nonstandard: https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/it%27s#Etymology_2

Curious if there’s any reason this is of particular importance. E.g. is it bad for screen readers?

It's bad for English readers
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