For those that are interested, Behind the Bastards did a two part episode on the Elan school last year:
https://omny.fm/shows/behind-the-bastards/part-one-elan-scho...
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#22One of my earliest memories of the internet was reading about Tranquility Bay, another similar school with the added bonus of being outside the US. It was absolutely mind boggling that kids could be kidnapped and abused for profit like that.
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In a lot of U.S. states now, the age is as high as 12. The U.S. has gone absolutely insane in the name of protecting children. And, if you dare question the wisdom of any of these policies, you're typically met with something like, "I guess you just want children to DIE". As an aside, there's also this creepy trend in the U.S. to refer to 15 and 16 year-olds as "children". If someone had referred to me as a child at…
If that happened (UK) here I don't know how everyone would get to school? I guess the answer is get in a car? Which is just as crazy.
I think it's creepier that we force children to be grown-up and take on adult attributes before they're ready.
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One challenge parents face is they don't feel there are other options. They often cannot get services locally, cannot get kids into anything in patient, cannot get discipline going. It's a weird dichotomy. You let your kid walk to park alone, you could face jail time. You send them to one of these camps, no issues. In addition to criticizing these program's I'd love to see better suggested options for often desperate…
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In a lot of U.S. states now, the age is as high as 12. The U.S. has gone absolutely insane in the name of protecting children. And, if you dare question the wisdom of any of these policies, you're typically met with something like, "I guess you just want children to DIE". As an aside, there's also this creepy trend in the U.S. to refer to 15 and 16 year-olds as "children". If someone had referred to me as a child at…
15-16 year olds both are and are not children, it's complex. A decade of time between then and now is a big difference in decision making rationality
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#26I first learned about the Elan "School" from this video by Nexpo [0], and later watched a documentary. I honestly couldn't believe how surreal the whole story was.
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#28WARN : deeply disturbing and utterly compelling
Im 10 pages in, taking a break because its too heavy ..
Random thoughts come to mind, given recent events, such as how a whole populace can be subjugated by regular abuse and misinformation .. and follow the whims of a despotic cult-leader. [ It strikes me most Russians have no idea whats going on in Ukraine, or are happy to pretend its not really happening. Why do millions have to have their lives uprooted by the decisions of one person ? ]
How many of us have the wherewithal to question the cultural rules we were brought up with, or the persistence to improve or change things, fighting a life-sapping bureaucracy ?
I fortunately live in a liberal democracy with excess food and security, with only first-world problems .. and yet .. it seems 85% of the citizens want action on climate change, while our elected leaders are hell bent on burning as much carbon as possible - so I have to ask, am I even living in a democracy ?
As a software dev, Ive been long thinking that almost all of our systems are far too centralized, and thus too brittle .. banking/currency/payments, social media, communications, food production, energy supply, politics, military, shipping/trade/transport, workplaces, education ..
yes, all of this is off-topic, but there are echoes .. we do have to keep re-remembering the Holocaust, because we are the same humans.
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#29This is horrifying. Can we be sure something like this isn't still happening? Are there people trying to help stop this kind of thing? I don't even know where to start.
It's almost for sure still happening, by desperate parents who don't know what else to do for their kids other than jail.
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In a lot of U.S. states now, the age is as high as 12. The U.S. has gone absolutely insane in the name of protecting children. And, if you dare question the wisdom of any of these policies, you're typically met with something like, "I guess you just want children to DIE". As an aside, there's also this creepy trend in the U.S. to refer to 15 and 16 year-olds as "children". If someone had referred to me as a child at…
If that happened (UK) here I don't know how everyone would get to school? I guess the answer is get in a car? Which is just as crazy. I think it's creepier that we force children to be grown-up and take on adult attributes before they're ready.
> If that happened (UK) here I don't know how everyone would get to school? I guess the answer is get in a car?
That's what happens here in the U.S. Part of the reason we have sky-high childhood obesity.