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Re: Swift on Mac OS 9 (2020)

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Slack on Windows 3.11 https://github.com/yeokm1/w31slack C# on Windows 3.11 https://www.hanselman.com/blog/net-everywhere-apparently-als...

With Win 3.1, some IRC client and Bitlbee you can chat everywhere :). Also, a gopher client makes the Win 3.1 desk not-so-obsolete. Ok, let's back to languages. I think some versions of Lazarus/Free Pascal still target Win 3.11 or Windows 9x at least.

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Re: Swift on Mac OS 9 (2020)

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Go until 1.3 supported all the way back to Windows 2000. I was pretty sad when they yanked support, the idea of becoming a hermit running Win2k writing Go is an oddly satisfying fantasy.

Re: Swift on Mac OS 9 (2020)

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Mac OS 9 was really aging even at that point in time, was crashing all the time from what I heard, and so on, but. It looks amazing. Monterey wishes it looked half as good as OS 9 looks like

Contrary to the other commenters rose colored glasses, as someone who ran OS9 at the time, it was indeed very unstable.

The entire MacOS classic line of OS’s were horrible for stability. Any small bug in any program could knock out the entire OS, and they did multiple times a day. Don’t get me wrong, the love put into the OS was palpable. That’s why you used it. It just crashed all day every day.

Re: Swift on Mac OS 9 (2020)

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If an app can crash your system, that means the system is not stable in my books

Oh it wasn't robust by todays standards (or any standards really), but it would be wrong to infer from that that the quality of OS9 was inferior to OS8, OS7, rotting, etc.

I say as a Mac user, while not inferior to other MacOS’s, it was however inferior to the stability of the counterpart versions of Windows, more-or-less since inception. The stability gap got wider and wider as the years went on and Windows 2k made OS9 look like a joke. OS X closed that gap and then quickly surpassed it.

Re: Swift on Mac OS 9 (2020)

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Mac OS 9 was really aging even at that point in time, was crashing all the time from what I heard, and so on, but. It looks amazing. Monterey wishes it looked half as good as OS 9 looks like

Contrary to the other commenters rose colored glasses, as someone who ran OS9 at the time, it was indeed very unstable. The entire MacOS classic line of OS’s were horrible for stability. Any small bug in any program could knock out the entire OS, and they did multiple times a day. Don’t get me wrong, the love put into the OS was palpable. That’s why you used it. It just crashed all day every day.

I didn’t have this experience, but perhaps because I mainly played games at the time. Maybe the type of games I played just crashed the system less than -say- productivity software.

Re: Swift on Mac OS 9 (2020)

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post #22

Go until 1.3 supported all the way back to Windows 2000. I was pretty sad when they yanked support, the idea of becoming a hermit running Win2k writing Go is an oddly satisfying fantasy.

go is one of the rare language i can imagine using on a 20+ yo hardware / software stack. The whole go tooling is so much focused on simple and performant design that i think it wouldn't be too bad of an experience.

Re: Swift on Mac OS 9 (2020)

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Oh it wasn't robust by todays standards (or any standards really), but it would be wrong to infer from that that the quality of OS9 was inferior to OS8, OS7, rotting, etc.

I say as a Mac user, while not inferior to other MacOS’s, it was however inferior to the stability of the counterpart versions of Windows, more-or-less since inception. The stability gap got wider and wider as the years went on and Windows 2k made OS9 look like a joke. OS X closed that gap and then quickly surpassed it.

I still think the distinction is (a bit) valid. You could run a stressed mail server on os9 for a year with no downtime/ no maintenance. The chances that the afterthought mac port of the windows software that you need to run would be flakey? - pretty high. These apps crashed just as much on osx, at least until macs become popular enough to not be able to get away with it. The process isolation made it more bearable, but you'd still lose your work. The benefit of osx wasn't spontaneous reliability (although, some things - font handling, printing - ok, it kinda was), it was that you could now run high quality open source alternatives (it's weird to remember just how difficult that was on OS9).

Re: Swift on Mac OS 9 (2020)

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post #26
post #22

Go until 1.3 supported all the way back to Windows 2000. I was pretty sad when they yanked support, the idea of becoming a hermit running Win2k writing Go is an oddly satisfying fantasy.

go is one of the rare language i can imagine using on a 20+ yo hardware / software stack. The whole go tooling is so much focused on simple and performant design that i think it wouldn't be too bad of an experience.

Until very recently the default linker for D on 32 bit Windows dated back to the 80s.

You could nearly get D code working for a 16 bit computer due to the history of the dmd backend, even.

Re: Swift on Mac OS 9 (2020)

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post #26
post #22

Go until 1.3 supported all the way back to Windows 2000. I was pretty sad when they yanked support, the idea of becoming a hermit running Win2k writing Go is an oddly satisfying fantasy.

go is one of the rare language i can imagine using on a 20+ yo hardware / software stack. The whole go tooling is so much focused on simple and performant design that i think it wouldn't be too bad of an experience.

Apart from it being an absolutely terrible programming language

Re: Swift on Mac OS 9 (2020)

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post #25
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Contrary to the other commenters rose colored glasses, as someone who ran OS9 at the time, it was indeed very unstable. The entire MacOS classic line of OS’s were horrible for stability. Any small bug in any program could knock out the entire OS, and they did multiple times a day. Don’t get me wrong, the love put into the OS was palpable. That’s why you used it. It just crashed all day every day.

I didn’t have this experience, but perhaps because I mainly played games at the time. Maybe the type of games I played just crashed the system less than -say- productivity software.

In my W98SE experience, by installing drivers and using some multimedia software (or libraries) would crash it often.
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