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Re: Daily-driving a Mac, one year later

#21

Post by gurjeet »

loloquwowndueo wrote: post #17

“Platform A has these features I find convenient therefore I migrated from platform B which doesn’t have them”. That’s all this article is. Platform B might as well have been windows. I’m not sure why everyone is reading it as a dismissal of desktop Linux as a concept. I tried a Mac for a while, found it too restrictive, moved back to Linux on the desktop - doesn’t mean the Mac sucks or anything, just wasn’t right fo…

I bet Linux, whatever distro you use, wasn’t right for you to begin with; but you made it yours by tweaking it to your liking.

Trust me, you can tweak macOS to your liking, as well. I used to be a Linux lover, but after trying for almost a decade, for my desktop needs, I’ve given up on Linux, and adopted macOS.

macOS is a POSIX environment, and you have almost the whole GNU ecosystem available to you, if you want.

Re: Daily-driving a Mac, one year later

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Post by loloquwowndueo »

gurjeet wrote: post #21
loloquwowndueo wrote: post #17

“Platform A has these features I find convenient therefore I migrated from platform B which doesn’t have them”. That’s all this article is. Platform B might as well have been windows. I’m not sure why everyone is reading it as a dismissal of desktop Linux as a concept. I tried a Mac for a while, found it too restrictive, moved back to Linux on the desktop - doesn’t mean the Mac sucks or anything, just wasn’t right fo…

I bet Linux, whatever distro you use, wasn’t right for you to begin with; but you made it yours by tweaking it to your liking. Trust me, you can tweak macOS to your liking, as well. I used to be a Linux lover, but after trying for almost a decade, for my desktop needs, I’ve given up on Linux, and adopted macOS. macOS is a POSIX environment, and you have almost the whole GNU ecosystem available to you, if you want.

Well- one of my main gripes was that I had to spend a lot of time and work getting macOS to behave like Linux did - so at some point I decided to stop wasting my time and use the real thing :) so “whatever distro you use, wasn’t right for you to begin with; but you made it yours by tweaking it to your liking.” You’re not entirely wrong but it was far less painful than tweaking macOS. “ you can tweak macOS to your liking” - see above. “ you have almost the whole GNU ecosystem available to you” yeah I tried the whole ports / fink thing and it was too much work vs. the equivalent on any Linux distribution (no extra work at all).

Re: Daily-driving a Mac, one year later

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Post by bastardoperator »

smoldesu wrote: post #9
hugi wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Haven't tried it, but I sincerely doubt it's as good as Things (one of those products you just fall in love with). Things pays attention to the tiniest detail in every single aspect, and it really shows that it's natively written for each of it's platforms, not some quick and cheap Electron crap. I've paid for Things on 4 platform and I'm very happy about it. I have no qualms paying for good software like that, I jus…

Well, for starters, Planner is also a native application written in Vala/GTK. The only non-native part about it is that you're forced to run it as a Flatpak (which is a bummer), but that makes it just about equally as "native" as any sandboxed Mac app. Almost to a comedic extent, Planner does copy a lot of the touches that Things has. For example, dragging the plus icon in the corner to a folder will create a new tas…

I rather pay a developer for support and continued development. If the only difference between these apps is one is a rip off of the other and doesn't cost, that's not a very compelling argument from my limited perspective.

Also, the commit comments on this project are total WTF.

Re: Daily-driving a Mac, one year later

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Post by senko »

gurjeet wrote: post #21
loloquwowndueo wrote: post #17

“Platform A has these features I find convenient therefore I migrated from platform B which doesn’t have them”. That’s all this article is. Platform B might as well have been windows. I’m not sure why everyone is reading it as a dismissal of desktop Linux as a concept. I tried a Mac for a while, found it too restrictive, moved back to Linux on the desktop - doesn’t mean the Mac sucks or anything, just wasn’t right fo…

I bet Linux, whatever distro you use, wasn’t right for you to begin with; but you made it yours by tweaking it to your liking. Trust me, you can tweak macOS to your liking, as well. I used to be a Linux lover, but after trying for almost a decade, for my desktop needs, I’ve given up on Linux, and adopted macOS. macOS is a POSIX environment, and you have almost the whole GNU ecosystem available to you, if you want.

That's an interesting data point but it doesn't generalize.

I used Linux daily for many years, then switched to Mac for 7 years (entirely due to HW/price being better at the time than other options), then back to Linux for the last in couple.

I was happy to leave the Mac ecosystem because it looked to me like the OS was slowly sliding down the drain.

Also, people saying that macOS is POSIX and therefore almost like Linux remind me of people saying having cats is just like having children. At this point I just smile and nod sagely :)

Re: Daily-driving a Mac, one year later

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Post by nananana45 »

Nextgrid wrote: post #8
rvz wrote: post #3

> At the end of the day, my goal in life is to make a difference, and also have a bit of fun. I want a system that is out of my way and lets me focus on that. For me, in 2022, that system is a Mac. TL;DR: Another very happy Apple customer. It seems that they are not looking back at the Linux Desktop. What can the Linux Desktop ecosystem learn from this?

> What can the Linux Desktop ecosystem learn from this? Usability and functionality trumps ideology. The Linux world has spent (and is still spending) insane amounts of time & effort on ideological battles such as software freedom or the endless arguments against systemd while commercial OSes put that time towards actual functionality and end up ahead most of the time. I don't care how "free" your thing is, none of t…

Usability and functionality of linux beats osx for me though. I've been made do use mac in last two jobs, and on personal laptop I use plain ubuntu. IMO Ubuntu has the nicest UX, and even though I probably use mac:ubuntu 70:30 of time, I still didn't start liking mac, so it's not because lack of familiarity. And I don't think I've got kernel panic on my personal linux, and on every mac I've had I've got at least one.

The worst thing about mac for me is how the things are named, it is very often that I want to find some option and it's just named differently than I'd expect

Re: Daily-driving a Mac, one year later

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

remir wrote: post #11
rvz wrote: post #3

> At the end of the day, my goal in life is to make a difference, and also have a bit of fun. I want a system that is out of my way and lets me focus on that. For me, in 2022, that system is a Mac. TL;DR: Another very happy Apple customer. It seems that they are not looking back at the Linux Desktop. What can the Linux Desktop ecosystem learn from this?

I don't think the "Linux Desktop ecosystem" can actually learn from this. Look at the number of projects and distros out there. Too many variations and opinions to have a cohesive UX.

This is my thought as well.

The problems with the Linux Desktop ecosystem are not tech problems but human problems. Everybody tries to be the smartest person in the room and push their own pet projects on everybody else via tools, distros, etc. All it does is dilute the ecosystem and erode the experience. I have no idea how to fix this- it's a result of the freedom.

Re: Daily-driving a Mac, one year later

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Post by galangalalgol »

gurjeet wrote: post #21
loloquwowndueo wrote: post #17

“Platform A has these features I find convenient therefore I migrated from platform B which doesn’t have them”. That’s all this article is. Platform B might as well have been windows. I’m not sure why everyone is reading it as a dismissal of desktop Linux as a concept. I tried a Mac for a while, found it too restrictive, moved back to Linux on the desktop - doesn’t mean the Mac sucks or anything, just wasn’t right fo…

I bet Linux, whatever distro you use, wasn’t right for you to begin with; but you made it yours by tweaking it to your liking. Trust me, you can tweak macOS to your liking, as well. I used to be a Linux lover, but after trying for almost a decade, for my desktop needs, I’ve given up on Linux, and adopted macOS. macOS is a POSIX environment, and you have almost the whole GNU ecosystem available to you, if you want.

Fedora/rhel/centos and the debian/ubuntu all work just fine for me out of the box. I spend a lot longer configuring firefox on a new machine than the distro. Mac is ok too, but all my muscle memory is off. Same for my wifes phone which is an iphone vs my android.

Re: Daily-driving a Mac, one year later

#30

Post by xaduha »

gurjeet wrote: post #21
loloquwowndueo wrote: post #17

“Platform A has these features I find convenient therefore I migrated from platform B which doesn’t have them”. That’s all this article is. Platform B might as well have been windows. I’m not sure why everyone is reading it as a dismissal of desktop Linux as a concept. I tried a Mac for a while, found it too restrictive, moved back to Linux on the desktop - doesn’t mean the Mac sucks or anything, just wasn’t right fo…

I bet Linux, whatever distro you use, wasn’t right for you to begin with; but you made it yours by tweaking it to your liking. Trust me, you can tweak macOS to your liking, as well. I used to be a Linux lover, but after trying for almost a decade, for my desktop needs, I’ve given up on Linux, and adopted macOS. macOS is a POSIX environment, and you have almost the whole GNU ecosystem available to you, if you want.

> I bet Linux, whatever distro you use, wasn’t right for you to begin with; but you made it yours by tweaking it to your liking.

In my case, absolutely not. I'm using Solus (Budgie) on my notebook and that's because it suits me basically OOTB. What I do have though is a headless NixOS server to which I connect with VSCode for a dev environment. But I wouldn't use NixOS on desktop when Solus is a much better choice, best of both world in my opinion.

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