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Re: The Shaming-Industrial Complex

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Post by AussieWog93 »

hansworst wrote: post #17
Razengan wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And it carries over to the glorious new age of technological empowerment, where systems that was supposed to mitigate human ills instead perpetuate them: All forums, even vote-based ones like Reddit and HN, devolve into echo chambers where any dissenting opinion is buried before many even get to see it.

Although at least on platforms like Reddit (and I suppose the internet as a whole) it’s possible to create your own echo chamber where your opinion that was shunned elsewhere is allowed to exist and can gather a following. The echo chamber effect of these platforms is often called out as a bad thing, but in my opinion it may also be useful as a way of nurturing ideas that would’ve otherwise been squashed early becaus…

>Although at least on platforms like Reddit (and I suppose the internet as a whole) it’s possible to create your own echo chamber where your opinion that was shunned elsewhere is allowed to exist and can gather a following.

AKA the Toaster Fucker Problem!

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25667362

Re: The Shaming-Industrial Complex

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Post by akomtu »

I'd call it a more poetic name: the shaming demon. This is an unconcscious virtual creature that lives in our brains, like a botnet lives on PCs, and it watches restlessly for non-conforming behavior. The key feature of this demon is that it can be activated by a special whistle, and its wrath can be easily directed at your enemies. The weakness of this demon is inability to focus on many things at a time: if your enemies are many or they change frequently, the demon's wrath won't do much.

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Post by KennyBlanken »

hunglee2 wrote: post #2

Shame is a powerful moderator of behaviour considered marginal or taboo in society, likely it forms an essential role in group cohesion. However, it may well be maladaptive at the scale of global society, where the mechanisms of shame - the 'calling out' of transgressors, the dogpiling that ensues following a successful call out - are chaotic, following no process or moderation itself. The inevitable result is self c…

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Re: The Shaming-Industrial Complex

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Post by nathias »

Shame is internal, so when people shame others they are recognizing and alarming others about something the shamed also knows and agrees with, the result is the shamed stops the bad action and societal harmony is reestablished. But with journalism for clicks, shaming is used to "try" to shame people who obviously don't share their values, so it has the opposite effect. When a group of people who think wrong is right is attacking you, you don't feel shame, you just feel right in what you are doing and the two groups are more divided as a result.

Re: The Shaming-Industrial Complex

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Post by tehwebguy »

lazyeye wrote: post #14
andrewclunn wrote: post #12

Internet shaming is selectively applied and therefore more a tool of oppression and compliance than valid social signalling. "Politeness" and "political correctness" are entirely distinct, and the internet has no concept of that. Or to use their own language, internet shaming is Californian imperialism, attempting to impose it's values on other cultures.

Exactly. Advocates for diversity love all its superficial forms (skin color, gender, sexual orientation etc) and absolutely loathe the only form that matters...diversity of thought.

People are still feeling the effects of an entire group, all Black people in the US, being prohibited by law from acquiring property, wealth or education during the nation’s most formative years.

The opportunities afforded to the various groups you mentioned are still super unequal. It’s built into society and didn’t just go away when the Civil Rights Act was signed (Title VII doesn’t even apply to companies of less than 15 employees) and that was less than 50 years ago.

Some states protect classes like religion, political party membership, marriage status, illness & orientation by statute. Most states don’t.

What is meant by “diversity of thought?”

Re: The Shaming-Industrial Complex

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Post by visarga »

KarlKemp wrote: post #10
jsnk wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's maladaptive for some, but also effective for some others. It can be wielded as a weapon to destroy one's competition and enemies. It works especially well against whichever group of population that has more tendency to self-reflect and have capacity to feel shame. Whereas if a population doesn't feel shame or less shame or construct the standard so that the shaming only applies to one group but not the other, it…

That’s the kind of reasoning people want to be true, as in „I’m not lazy, it’s just my perfectionism…“ Can anyone tag some name onto these shameless and shameful tribes? Because I can’t come up with anything that I would want to be associated with.

Guilt–shame–fear spectrum of cultures

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guilt%E2%80%93shame%E2%80%93fe...

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Post by KennyBlanken »

tetromino_ wrote: post #20
forum_ghost wrote: post #16

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What are the examples of these shameless cultures? I'd like to join them.

Traditional American culture (as compared to traditional Japanese culture, for example). See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guilt%E2%80%93shame%E2%80%93fe...

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KennyBlanken wrote: post #24
hunglee2 wrote: post #2

Shame is a powerful moderator of behaviour considered marginal or taboo in society, likely it forms an essential role in group cohesion. However, it may well be maladaptive at the scale of global society, where the mechanisms of shame - the 'calling out' of transgressors, the dogpiling that ensues following a successful call out - are chaotic, following no process or moderation itself. The inevitable result is self c…

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