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I became the world's most prolific DJ, using code

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Re: I became the world's most prolific DJ, using code

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I think you missed the joke!

Saying something absurd isn’t automatically a joke that I am expected to get. This is humor on the same level as typing the N word in all caps or just lying. It’s not funny, it’s not clever.

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Re: I became the world's most prolific DJ, using code

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This guy is nowhere near the “World’s most prolific DJ” I’ve never heard of Him, and I run in those circles. Interesting reading though.

yeah, he's not, by any definition, the first line of the article says that is an alternate clickbait as a joke which maybe allows it to comply with HN posting guidelines, but given that the poster's username has the NL acronym in it which probably means Netherlands, and the Dutch-like name of the author of the article, (and actual prolific DJ scene in that country), its probably the same person, so its unknown if that actually makes it fit HN posting guidelines to me

Its amusing, it got me to click though and I was pleased by what I read

Re: I became the world's most prolific DJ, using code

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I'm surprised to learn that copyright doesn't take into account the length of notes, which to me is part of what makes melodies unique.

This may be a consequence of copyright law being developed in Europe. The European musical tradition is mostly concerned with harmony, and less with rhythm. A musical culture focusing on harmony would be most of the African traditions.

Just a nitpick but blanket statements like this are highly misleading. "European" musical traditions are not concerned with rhythm any less than "African" traditions. European musical theory historically focused on harmony more so than rhythm which has the side-effect of vernacular developing more a robust vocabulary for harmony.

The reason this distinction matters is because I think its important to understand that not only European musical traditions will have equivalent rhythmic complexity but also other musical traditions will have equivalent harmonic complexity. Just because we don't have a great model of other musical traditions' harmony, does not mean they lack harmony. And vice versa. E.g. during Baroque era although temporal information was rarely denoted on paper (any more than 3 time, 4 time, tempo etc) musicians performing these pieces had to express a certain understanding of rhythm. Pieces were never played like MIDI, they always had rhythmic nuances.

Re: I became the world's most prolific DJ, using code

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This is a mathematical approach to music, and lacks (from my point of view) what is the mere essence of music : choice.

I understand why they want to take back the copyright on music, but they do so in such a geeky way that it seems completely useless to me.

Ultimately, musicians will pick good / cool melodies from this dataset, in the same way they do when in front of an instrument.

I might be missing the point ?

Re: I became the world's most prolific DJ, using code

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post #5

This guy is nowhere near the “World’s most prolific DJ” I’ve never heard of Him, and I run in those circles. Interesting reading though.

I think prolific in this case is more the "Super Whizkid DJ Creates 100,000 Tracks in a Week" sense -- not in the sense that you may or may not have heard of them...

Yeah, I would not call 100,000 tracks of garbage noise produced and never played for people a prolific DJ. A DJ is a performer by definition.

No knock on his accomplishments

Re: I became the world's most prolific DJ, using code

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I'm surprised to learn that copyright doesn't take into account the length of notes, which to me is part of what makes melodies unique.

It's a fun concept, and maybe will be useful in some weird edge case of a lawsuit, but no. Most recent music infringement lawsuits seem to argue that some combination of the sound design, groove, rhythms, chord progressions, melody or reduced melody, structure, and lyrics wind up giving a song the same "feel" as a prior song, and that's the basis of the copyright infringement. Then pseudoscientific experts come in and pick and choose common musical elements that both the songs share to attempt to justify the claim, oftentimes wrongfully taking credit for inventing genre-wide defining musical elements. Adam Neely did a good job touching on this in his recent analysis of the Dua Lipa Levitating lawsuit [1].

An AI generated song machine would have to nail a lot more elements than just the melody notes to properly stop music copyright cases. In my view, a more interesting project that might be more effective in defusing lawsuits would be to try to catalog all of the musical tropes that define genres, then attempting to detect how common they are in that genre. In an ideal world, maybe this would be able to drive a metric of how similar specific two songs are vs. picking any two songs in that genre at random.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnA1QmZvSNs

Re: I became the world's most prolific DJ, using code

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But if you can't copyright something that was created via automation ( https://www.ipwatchdog.com/2022/02/23/thaler-loses-ai-author... ), does this even matter?

You absolutely can copywrite works created via automation, you just still have to list a human as the author.

Which makes a lot of sense to me - Someone had to set up the automation with the intent to create a copy writable work, and copywrite often has built in expirations based on a window of time after the death of the author. Hard to make that sane if you're listing a computer program as the author - when does it die?

Re: I became the world's most prolific DJ, using code

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Other projects in a similar spirit: Tom Johnson's Chord Catalog which organizes the 8,178 chords possible in a single octave of the piano: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chord_Catalogue James Whitehead's All Possible CDs: http://www.jliat.com/APCDS/index.html > This “thought” experiment although based on real “physical” objects can be treated as a simple mathematical object and so allows us to explore some of the…

Oh, neat! The Chord Catalogue is even available on streaming services. Here it is on Pandora: https://www.pandora.com/artist/tom-johnson/the-chord-catalog...
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