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Why I love Formula 1 (and why you might like it too)

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Re: Why I love Formula 1 (and why you might like it too)

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Formula 1 is one of the worst offenders of Sportswashing, the practice of dictators and human rights abusers to use their money to buy good will in the sports world.

And not just in Russia & Saudi Arabia, F1 is hosted by lot’s of other dictators, human rights abusers countries. Just like FIFA:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/feb/25/uefa-and-fi...

Re: Why I love Formula 1 (and why you might like it too)

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My favourite parts of F1 are the parts which don't occur anywhere near a track. The ingenious rule bending which goes into trying to get an advantage and the politics when people try to get it banned. Things like the f-duct where a driver used the back of their hand to close a passage which reduced the areodynamics drag of the rear wing because movable surfaces aren't allowed; the two pedal system which allowed diffe…

and DAS, the dual-axis steering system Merc used to warm the tyres.

I'm not sure it was that much of an advantage, but it was a great system.

Re: Why I love Formula 1 (and why you might like it too)

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Is there something similar to F1 but with autonomous cars ?

Just a race between autonomous cars, pitting teams of engineers directly against each other instead of via the human pilot.

I guessed that would involve some pretty different design of the cars, since without the human much of the current designs around safety wouldn't apply. Cars could go faster, slow less, take more risky trajectories.

There's RobotWars, but these always seem (currently) like a weird RC toys competitions.

Re: Why I love Formula 1 (and why you might like it too)

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post #11

I used to watch F1 back in 90s until beginning of 00s, it was interesting, there were not that significant differences between cars and you could see actual driving skills and overtaking, over the time it turned into siesta lullaby where overtaking happens at best in the pitstop and that's it, pretty much boring from start to finish and you really need to stay extremely focused to not fall asleep. What F1 really need…

>> Please correct me if I am wrong and F1 is now dynamic with lot of overtaking since I haven't seen one GP in last 10-15 years.

I would say that you are wrong, but with caveats. Firstly, it's dependent on the track. some tracks provide more opportunities to overtake than others. Monaco is one extreme (where overtaking is basically impossible) - on the other end of the scale is Bahrain where overtaking is "easy".

Actually having all cars the same would lead to less overtaking though - because it's not enough to "be a bit faster" than the car in front, you have to be close enough, at the right time, and have enough of a performance advantage to make the overtake in the time available. DRS makes a big difference to this giving an advantage to a trailing car which makes overtaking "easier". But you still need the track to play ball.

Like all sports, F1 goes through periods of boring races, and typically there are then rule tweaks to try and tighten up racing. This year there are all new cars, designed (hopefully) to make following easier and hence overtaking easier.

Of course making overtaking easier is perhaps not the best goal - close racing happens when a faster car is behind a slower car, and overtaking is hard. The defense of the slower car, and the effort required to maintain that position can be enthralling. Letting the faster car pass easily, and disappear into the distance may not actually lead to better racing.

Re: Why I love Formula 1 (and why you might like it too)

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

80's and 90's was the golden age of many sports like boxing, rallying and football (the international one)

Good old days where people dying was a part of the sport.

Fair point although many of those who died were fully aware of the risk and took extreme risks regardless.

Re: Why I love Formula 1 (and why you might like it too)

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Formula 1 is one of the worst offenders of Sportswashing, the practice of dictators and human rights abusers to use their money to buy good will in the sports world. And not just in Russia & Saudi Arabia, F1 is hosted by lot’s of other dictators, human rights abusers countries. Just like FIFA: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/feb/25/uefa-and-fi...

Thank you for highlighting this. As I fan, I hold my nose watching the sport while knowing how deep the corruption runs.

Re: Why I love Formula 1 (and why you might like it too)

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post #15

For me also: community. I love the F1 community discussing the off-track banter, the drama, the memes, that has grown immensely since Drive to Survive. Here's a shout-out to www.reddit.com/r/formula1! It has maybe become my favorite subreddit on that site. Professionally moderated with semi-regular appearances of drivers or team representatives for Q&A's as well. Every practice session, qualification, race also gets…

Eh, it's kinda a cess pit. It's good for following news though.

Certainly don't follow the race weekend live threads, when sorted by new which is the default for those, it's Toxic as hell, in a lot of other threads most people repeat the same nonsense as if they don't know anything about the sport.

As you mention it's grown a huge amount since the hugely fake and misleading drive to survive which means sadly it's a lot of those clueless people that have come and it's suffered from it, constantly repeating the same nonsense narratives, i perfer just to see it as a way to aggravate news and then switch off and just enjoy the races.

Re: Why I love Formula 1 (and why you might like it too)

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post #11

I used to watch F1 back in 90s until beginning of 00s, it was interesting, there were not that significant differences between cars and you could see actual driving skills and overtaking, over the time it turned into siesta lullaby where overtaking happens at best in the pitstop and that's it, pretty much boring from start to finish and you really need to stay extremely focused to not fall asleep. What F1 really need…

Even better aspect of Moto GP, IMO, is you often get 8 or 9 different winners during a season, even when MM93 or VR46 were winning consecutive championships. This year's 1st race podium had 3 riders on it who were not amongst the top picks to podium.

Bonus: watching the aliens hit 220 MPH on 2 wheels is pretty awesome, too.

Re: Why I love Formula 1 (and why you might like it too)

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Is there something similar to F1 but with autonomous cars ? Just a race between autonomous cars, pitting teams of engineers directly against each other instead of via the human pilot. I guessed that would involve some pretty different design of the cars, since without the human much of the current designs around safety wouldn't apply. Cars could go faster, slow less, take more risky trajectories. There's RobotWars, b…

This already exists, it's called Roborace (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roborace)

Re: Why I love Formula 1 (and why you might like it too)

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you believe what you see in Drive To Survive then you think the above (which is a big problem with the series). In reality it’s not true. Mercedes are successful because they had a huge head start on the new hybrid engine regs and hired one of the most talented drivers in history. Management is important but “we win and lose as a team” is marketing. The Hamilton/Rosberg era illustrated a lot of cracks in that mark…

Interesting! Do you have further reading I can look into? Do you know why the Drive To Survive authors would slant things this way?

That's it's whole purpose, to get people watching that wouldn't normally watch F1.

When F1 had the idea, Amazon offered them more money, but they went with Netflix because it was more about getting eyeballs on the show so they would then come and watch the sport.

It's entirely marketing and designed to bring people into the sport, also a lot of the top teams/drivers don't provide a huge amount of access as they get in the way / give away secrets / make crap up that makes them look bad, so they focus more heavily on smaller teams and have to invent stories there to make it seem exciting.

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