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Finnish govt agency warns of unusual aircraft GPS interference

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Re: Finnish govt agency warns of unusual aircraft GPS interference

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Post by dazc »

atoav wrote: post #13
waihtis wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Suggesting Russians are playing a rational game here? I think the cover has been pulled on the Russian "master strategy".. it's literally a hierarchy of terror and lies, where everyone will do whatever it takes to please the irrational autocrat. I have been spamming this lecture everywhere since the war started and again I think anyone who's still questioning the Russian operative reality should watch it: Evaluation…

I watched that evaluation yesterday and I think it is spot on and I second your recommendation. Many western officials (as most people) seem to be unable to put themselves into this different environment and framework of values. Knowing a lot about a country helps, but judging them by the values you'd have doesn't help you a bit. Edit: Take the below with a grain of salt, this is one personal experience which can/sho…

I've only lived in 3 countries and all I have learned is that some people are good/nice/polite and some people are bad/ugly/rude regardelss of their nationality, religion or culture.

Re: Finnish govt agency warns of unusual aircraft GPS interference

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Post by userbinator »

account-5 wrote: post #12
janmarsal wrote: post #7

Fake news. This is not unusual. Just one of those things that keeps happening when Russia is your neighbor.

So it's not fake news then.

I think your sarcasm detector might need some recalibrating.

Re: Finnish govt agency warns of unusual aircraft GPS interference

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Post by userbinator »

XorNot wrote: post #18
Grimburger wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The military has some additional protections Feel this is somewhat an understatement, it's cryptographically signed and encrypted, as far as protection goes it's wandering onto an active battlefield naked vs being in a modern tank.

It is, but the US basically can't use that mode anymore - the widespread use of GPS guided munitions which do not have the military grade receivers means the US basically doesn't enable the signal degradation mode ever - it harms their own force more then helping any counter-force.

You're talking about SA (Selective Availability) but I think the parent comment is referring to the "fine" signal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPS_signals#Precision_code

Re: Finnish govt agency warns of unusual aircraft GPS interference

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Post by atoav »

sdoering wrote: post #17
atoav wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I watched that evaluation yesterday and I think it is spot on and I second your recommendation. Many western officials (as most people) seem to be unable to put themselves into this different environment and framework of values. Knowing a lot about a country helps, but judging them by the values you'd have doesn't help you a bit. Edit: Take the below with a grain of salt, this is one personal experience which can/sho…

Wow. When I was a kid I was on holiday playing together with Russians, Brits, Belgians and other German kids. While the Russian kids were playing by the rules (at least not significantly outside of that) especially the British kiddos did everything they could to win the medals we received in these games from the hotel. So what does my anecdata tell us? Nothing. I have great experiences with Russian people while I was…

> So what does my anecdata tell us? Nothing.

You are surely right there, but having played with a ton of kids from all nationalities as well (football, handball, whatever) this episode still stood out for me, because it was much more brutal than anything else I had experienced out of tournaments and "serious" games. The game in question here was not even a hotel tournament, it was just a "hey, wanna play a round"-kind of game.

However: as you rightly mentioned it is unwise to extrapolate from this one experience onto the character of a group of people (I added this in the post above). This was not my intention here, it was just a very memorable experience and I never quite understood why it escalated the way it did.

Re: Finnish govt agency warns of unusual aircraft GPS interference

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Post by beebmam »

sdoering wrote: post #15
waihtis wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Suggesting Russians are playing a rational game here? I think the cover has been pulled on the Russian "master strategy".. it's literally a hierarchy of terror and lies, where everyone will do whatever it takes to please the irrational autocrat. I have been spamming this lecture everywhere since the war started and again I think anyone who's still questioning the Russian operative reality should watch it: Evaluation…

You start by "suggesting Russians are playing a rational game..." but literally the next sentence is condescending western rhetoric. We don't know the strategy and the plan. We might, even maybe reasonably, deduce that Russian leadership thought that Ucrain would fall more quickly. And that some form of stable solution would be the result. But most people don't only have one plan to reach a longer term strategic goal…

Don't delude yourself and others. Wars of aggression are the prelude to world wars and mass scale violence.

Re: Finnish govt agency warns of unusual aircraft GPS interference

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Post by miohtama »

bagels wrote: post #16

United States has the capability to degrade or deny GPS based on location. Russia has also demonstrated the ability to spoof GPS signals. Either is a likely cause here.

What would be the United States's interest to mess up with GPS now?

Re: Finnish govt agency warns of unusual aircraft GPS interference

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Post by bagels »

miohtama wrote: post #28
bagels wrote: post #16

United States has the capability to degrade or deny GPS based on location. Russia has also demonstrated the ability to spoof GPS signals. Either is a likely cause here.

What would be the United States's interest to mess up with GPS now?

To deny access to Russia is one reason. Not saying it's the only reason, or that it's not more likely that Russia has done this.

Re: Finnish govt agency warns of unusual aircraft GPS interference

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Post by TrackerFF »

Russia has previously and frequently conducted (GPS) jamming exercises in the northern area, which has resulted in the same thing for pilots there.

EDIT: These things are more likely to happen in times of military exercises or similar activities. Right now there's lots of activity in the Baltic region - which is likely why things are happening.

Whenever there's large NATO exercises in Northern Norway, these things start happening.

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