How CNN's Jeff Zucker and His Cronies Manipulated the News • Hacker News Board

Re: How CNN's Jeff Zucker and His Cronies Manipulated the News

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Post by th0ma5 » Sat, Mar 12, 2022, 8:38 AM UTC

lazyeye wrote: post #19

I remember watching recently a discussion on CNN about how Virginia voters were white supremacists because the CNN-preferred candidate had lost the state election. Note: These would be the same voters that voted for Obama in previous elections. The media is garbage, pure and simple.

If the winning candidate is a white supremacist, then it is perfectly reasonable to prefer a different candidate, and wonder if those votes may also be white supremacists as an election is a reflection of the population, and often people that agree with these ideas were also voters for Obama, yes.

Re: How CNN's Jeff Zucker and His Cronies Manipulated the News

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Post by hvl » Sat, Mar 12, 2022, 8:40 AM UTC

Isn't the problem simply that democrat-leaning media have fallen prey to partisan division , as a reaction to the same thing happening to republican-leaning media? Media on the right are protecting themselves by creating a bubble around their audience, and the other side responds by doing the same?

EDIT: replaced left and right with democrat/republican.

Re: How CNN's Jeff Zucker and His Cronies Manipulated the News

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Post by travisgriggs » Sat, Mar 12, 2022, 8:48 AM UTC

I’ve been taking a note from the open source world. I like software free as in speech and free as in press.

The only thing free about our press anymore is that they’re free to make money using whatever hyper optimized feedback loop gives the best profit margin.

I no longer call it a free press, but instead a profit press.

I reserve the term “free press” for news organizations that in practice or legal constitution are non profit.

Re: How CNN's Jeff Zucker and His Cronies Manipulated the News

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Post by alphabettsy » Sat, Mar 12, 2022, 8:54 AM UTC

melling wrote: post #8

I sort of lost hope for CNN after they asked if a jet could have disappeared in a black hole. https://www.thewrap.com/cnns-don-lemon-asks-black-hole-could...

I’m surprised this is what did it for you. The entire purpose of inviting guests to a show of this format is to ask the guest questions and have an interesting dialog. It would be more problematic in my opinion if the hosts offered their own answers to the questions without any qualifications, but that’s what often happens along with the rhetoric and logical fallacies.

Is it a stupid and ignorant question, yea. Did someone in the audience find it interesting, extremely likely.

Re: How CNN's Jeff Zucker and His Cronies Manipulated the News

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Post by akvadrako » Sat, Mar 12, 2022, 8:57 AM UTC

gman83 wrote: post #15

rnd0 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>They don't inform their viewers, they weaponize them. Just the same as Fox, just the same as OAN, just the same as RT, just the same as MSNBC, just the same as ...

Some of these are way worse than others, they're not at all comparable.

I read all of these occasionally except OAN and I have no idea which one you are talking about.

They are all garbage and you can't believe what they write, though they may be useful sources.

Re: How CNN's Jeff Zucker and His Cronies Manipulated the News

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Post by melling » Sat, Mar 12, 2022, 9:01 AM UTC

alphabettsy wrote: post #24

melling wrote: post #8

I sort of lost hope for CNN after they asked if a jet could have disappeared in a black hole. https://www.thewrap.com/cnns-don-lemon-asks-black-hole-could...

I’m surprised this is what did it for you. The entire purpose of inviting guests to a show of this format is to ask the guest questions and have an interesting dialog. It would be more problematic in my opinion if the hosts offered their own answers to the questions without any qualifications, but that’s what often happens along with the rhetoric and logical fallacies. Is it a stupid and ignorant question, yea. Did s…

The news is not supposed to be In Search of…

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_Search_of..._(TV_series)

But I suppose there’s more money in that. What could go wrong with that attitude?

Re: How CNN's Jeff Zucker and His Cronies Manipulated the News

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Post by delusional » Sat, Mar 12, 2022, 9:05 AM UTC

hvl wrote: post #22

Isn't the problem simply that democrat-leaning media have fallen prey to partisan division , as a reaction to the same thing happening to republican-leaning media? Media on the right are protecting themselves by creating a bubble around their audience, and the other side responds by doing the same? EDIT: replaced left and right with democrat/republican.

This article doesn't seems to describe any sort of "left-wing bubble" to me, but rather in dealing between politicians and news sources. Coupled with sexual harassment.

I don't think this article draws a picture of a news org that will do anything to defend their party, but rather a news org that will do anything for power. Which it then uses to reward the loyalists. It will gladly play into trump if he gives good ratings, just like it will happily shit on trump if there's ratings in that. It'll create conflicts of interest when it asks a journalist to interview his own brother, as long as there's ratings in it. It'll even cover for sexual misconduct, if the abusers are loyal and produce ratings.

Basically, there's no political party in this story. Only power hungry amoral people.

Re: How CNN's Jeff Zucker and His Cronies Manipulated the News

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Post by lazyeye » Sat, Mar 12, 2022, 9:06 AM UTC

th0ma5 wrote: post #21

lazyeye wrote: post #19

I remember watching recently a discussion on CNN about how Virginia voters were white supremacists because the CNN-preferred candidate had lost the state election. Note: These would be the same voters that voted for Obama in previous elections. The media is garbage, pure and simple.

If the winning candidate is a white supremacist, then it is perfectly reasonable to prefer a different candidate, and wonder if those votes may also be white supremacists as an election is a reflection of the population, and often people that agree with these ideas were also voters for Obama, yes.

Was the winning candidate a white supremacist?

Re: How CNN's Jeff Zucker and His Cronies Manipulated the News

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Post by StreamBright » Sat, Mar 12, 2022, 9:12 AM UTC

ComradePhil wrote: post #14

Somehow people seem to believe that media became worse over time. No, that didn't happen. It's just that people found out exactly how the media works because they had access to the source material. I remember the Trump election cycle when they kept coming up with "the beginning of the end" for Trump by mis-reporting what he said in rallies, debates, speeches... only to find out that the supporters kept growing... bec…

I think both of these are true.

People figured out that the media is lying by checking the source.

Media become worse and worse over time.

Re: How CNN's Jeff Zucker and His Cronies Manipulated the News

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Post by sschueller » Sat, Mar 12, 2022, 9:20 AM UTC

travisgriggs wrote: post #23

I’ve been taking a note from the open source world. I like software free as in speech and free as in press. The only thing free about our press anymore is that they’re free to make money using whatever hyper optimized feedback loop gives the best profit margin. I no longer call it a free press, but instead a profit press. I reserve the term “free press” for news organizations that in practice or legal constitution ar…

I like that term "profit press". Someone should do a fo protest with signs that say "protect profit press".