Apple turns monitor height adjustment into a $400 upsell • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple turns monitor height adjustment into a $400 upsell

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Post by adanto6840 » Wed, Mar 09, 2022, 3:30 PM UTC

Hamuko wrote: post #6

The worst part of the new display is that the stand is integrated - you cannot change your mind after you buy it. So if you buy a fancy monitor arm a year after you got your Studio Display with a height-adjustable stand, you'll have to buy a new Studio Display, except this time with a VESA mount. If you insist on getting a Studio Display, the best option to future-proof your purchase is to get the one with the VESA m…

Indeed. I was actually about to buy one, they are within the same price realm as other good+ 5k monitors. I was reading through the stand offerings, debating between the height-adjustable or "not" (ie just the standard stand & most likely using my cheap monitor arm) -- then I realized/read the "integrated & can't be changed" and my mind was boggled. I abandoned at that point.

Not having the ability to remove the stand, like virtually all other monitors, is really just anti-customer IMO.

If I get the stand & later want to VESA-mount it, what, I have to sell the monitor to buy a VESA version?! Absurd & really disappointing, especially for a monitor product that otherwise seemed relatively well-positioned.

Re: Apple turns monitor height adjustment into a $400 upsell

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Post by samsolomon » Wed, Mar 09, 2022, 3:34 PM UTC

nowherebeen wrote: post #7

I feel like these monitors will depreciate in value much faster than their M1 chips. It feels like only yesterday, flat screen TVs were a few thousand dollars. Now, you can get a decent one for a few hundred.

Not sure that is the case. Thunderbolt Displays, the previous equivalent, had extremely little depreciation over their life span—even when higher resolution monitors started to become mainstream. I suspect used versions of these monitors will retail near the new value for a long time.

Re: Apple turns monitor height adjustment into a $400 upsell

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Post by alphabettsy » Wed, Mar 09, 2022, 3:37 PM UTC

nowherebeen wrote: post #7

I feel like these monitors will depreciate in value much faster than their M1 chips. It feels like only yesterday, flat screen TVs were a few thousand dollars. Now, you can get a decent one for a few hundred.

Maybe. The non-Retina Apple Cinema Display which I believe is over a decade old still sells for $200-300+ used. The Thunderbolt Display even more.

The 5k iMac came out in about 2015 and still no other company sells an equivalent 5k monitor other than the LG/Apple monitor.

Re: Apple turns monitor height adjustment into a $400 upsell

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Post by signa11 » Wed, Mar 09, 2022, 3:37 PM UTC

pcmoney wrote: post #18

Apple can do this because nobody else makes a high quality monitor that doesn’t look terrible. In nice offices, each chair is a couple thousand each. Full designs easily $50k+. Theyre not going to mess up a such a thoughtfully designed aesthetic with some slab of black plastic and an Amazon Basics stand (which is what I use) to save $1-2k.

i have been using eizo for past couple of months and i have found them to be just fabulous.

perhaps you can try it out and see if it works for you too ?

Re: Apple turns monitor height adjustment into a $400 upsell

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Post by mschuster91 » Wed, Mar 09, 2022, 3:39 PM UTC

samsolomon wrote: post #22

nowherebeen wrote: post #7

I feel like these monitors will depreciate in value much faster than their M1 chips. It feels like only yesterday, flat screen TVs were a few thousand dollars. Now, you can get a decent one for a few hundred.

Not sure that is the case. Thunderbolt Displays, the previous equivalent, had extremely little depreciation over their life span—even when higher resolution monitors started to become mainstream. I suspect used versions of these monitors will retail near the new value for a long time.

> Thunderbolt Displays, the previous equivalent had extremely little depreciation over their life span

I recently bought one used. These things got manufactured from 2011 at a MSRP of 999$ IIRC and today still are worth 600€, excluding shipping, on ebay.

Re: Apple turns monitor height adjustment into a $400 upsell

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Post by saiya-jin » Wed, Mar 09, 2022, 3:40 PM UTC

pcmoney wrote: post #18

Apple can do this because nobody else makes a high quality monitor that doesn’t look terrible. In nice offices, each chair is a couple thousand each. Full designs easily $50k+. Theyre not going to mess up a such a thoughtfully designed aesthetic with some slab of black plastic and an Amazon Basics stand (which is what I use) to save $1-2k.

That's... relative. Let's say politely I am not moved by such design and had seen and used monitors which appeal to me more for fraction of that price.

Re: Apple turns monitor height adjustment into a $400 upsell

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Post by bluedino » Wed, Mar 09, 2022, 3:40 PM UTC

nowherebeen wrote: post #7

I feel like these monitors will depreciate in value much faster than their M1 chips. It feels like only yesterday, flat screen TVs were a few thousand dollars. Now, you can get a decent one for a few hundred.

The LG 4/5K monitors from the 2015/16 era were this expensive

Re: Apple turns monitor height adjustment into a $400 upsell

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Post by ren_engineer » Wed, Mar 09, 2022, 3:40 PM UTC

pcmoney wrote: post #18

Apple can do this because nobody else makes a high quality monitor that doesn’t look terrible. In nice offices, each chair is a couple thousand each. Full designs easily $50k+. Theyre not going to mess up a such a thoughtfully designed aesthetic with some slab of black plastic and an Amazon Basics stand (which is what I use) to save $1-2k.

and people wonder why so many VC backed startups fail when they spend money on stupid shit like this

Re: Apple turns monitor height adjustment into a $400 upsell

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Post by jimnotgym » Wed, Mar 09, 2022, 3:42 PM UTC

pcmoney wrote: post #18

Apple can do this because nobody else makes a high quality monitor that doesn’t look terrible. In nice offices, each chair is a couple thousand each. Full designs easily $50k+. Theyre not going to mess up a such a thoughtfully designed aesthetic with some slab of black plastic and an Amazon Basics stand (which is what I use) to save $1-2k.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder as they say. I'm getting a bit tired of the metallic look, personally.

I don't think Eizo monitors look terrible. They have nice displays too, and some useful colour management features.

The higher end Benq's look nice to me.

Apple will keep charging it because people keep paying it....

Re: Apple turns monitor height adjustment into a $400 upsell

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Post by saiya-jin » Wed, Mar 09, 2022, 3:42 PM UTC

alphabettsy wrote: post #23

nowherebeen wrote: post #7

I feel like these monitors will depreciate in value much faster than their M1 chips. It feels like only yesterday, flat screen TVs were a few thousand dollars. Now, you can get a decent one for a few hundred.

Maybe. The non-Retina Apple Cinema Display which I believe is over a decade old still sells for $200-300+ used. The Thunderbolt Display even more. The 5k iMac came out in about 2015 and still no other company sells an equivalent 5k monitor other than the LG/Apple monitor.

there are 8k monitors out there