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Flight characteristics of anomalous unidentified aerial vehicles (2019)

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Re: Flight characteristics of anomalous unidentified aerial vehicles (2019)

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Here's my most recent thought. Pilots spent years up there and the only thing they see are other planes. If they see something it must be a plane, from the size they can estimate the distance. But when they suddenly see smaller drone, their pilot-brain thinks it's a plane, but because it is much smaller than a plane, they think it must be far away. And when it flys same speed as plane, in "projected" large distance t…

The study addresses this: the cases selected for analysis include multi-modal observation (e.g. visual + radar).

Re: Flight characteristics of anomalous unidentified aerial vehicles (2019)

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post #6

Here's my most recent thought. Pilots spent years up there and the only thing they see are other planes. If they see something it must be a plane, from the size they can estimate the distance. But when they suddenly see smaller drone, their pilot-brain thinks it's a plane, but because it is much smaller than a plane, they think it must be far away. And when it flys same speed as plane, in "projected" large distance t…

> But when they suddenly see smaller drone, their pilot-brain thinks it's a plane, but because it is much smaller than a plane, they think it must be far away.

I think this neglects the training and capability of the pilot to the point of being insulting. You're basically saying that a (let's say) 15 year veteran of the U.S. Air Force can't tell the difference between a small drone and a plane, doesn't understand basic physics / optics, and when uncertain, assumes that anything observed must be a plane because "all we see are planes". Preposterous.

Also, even if that were the case, it's pretty hard to explain away when the same object is being observed from multiple angles, with multiple humans, and multiple high precision sensors, with all observations confirming the same conclusions.

Re: Flight characteristics of anomalous unidentified aerial vehicles (2019)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What kind of a freaking bird travels at fighter jet speeds and rotates like that? I'm a photographer who loves watching birds, taking photos, I watch other bird photographers. It's never anything like that.

It isn't. The bird is between the sea and the jet and for all practically purposes stationary. When the camera pod on the jet tracks the bird and keeps it in the center of the field of view, what you are seeing is a parallax motion of the sea in the background due to the motion of the jet. This refers to the second clip in the linked video which also also the focus of the linked analysis.

You need to listen to the interview with the pilots who filmed this. They were chasing it, and couldn't catch up.

Re: Flight characteristics of anomalous unidentified aerial vehicles (2019)

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Reaching relativistic speeds in minutes to hours and covering interstellar distances in days to weeks as proposed in the abstract seem to not be compatible - wouldn't a relativistic speed mean we'd need 4ish years to reach another star?

The durations are expressed in ‘ship time’, ie the perceived duration from the pov of the ship. This is explicited further in the document.

Off topic comment: I'm pretty sure "explicited" is not a real word, but you've convinced me that it ought to be. Perfectly clear what you meant. Can somebody add this to the dictionary, please?

Re: Flight characteristics of anomalous unidentified aerial vehicles (2019)

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Makes me wonder what the psychology and politics of anti-extraterrestrial beliefs and rules are. It's very plausible other beings exist, but what necessary axioms disintegrate if a society comes to believe in aliens, and why is it important to isolate and shame people who suspect it? I can see how our dominant moral systems are rooted in the idea of human primacy and a single One supreme being. Recognition that we ca…

I don't know that such a thing as "anti extraterrestrial" belief exists.

Here's two beliefs/points of view that are compatible:

1. There's a very high chance there's life out there in the universe. There may even be intelligent life, too.

2. It's unlikely extraterrestrial intelligent life will be able to reach Earth. Most reports of UFOs are either made up bullshit or the human brain finding patterns where there are none. Or simply classified military tech. Or people craving attention.

Not one person that laughs at fake accounts of alien abduction and probing does this because they are afraid of coexisting with alien intelligence. Instead, they do it because fake accounts of alien abduction are hilarious.

Re: Flight characteristics of anomalous unidentified aerial vehicles (2019)

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Can anyone clue me in as to why this is on the NIH's website?

From another comment "The article is published in a journal the subject matter of which has nothing to do with UFOs, or flight dynamics or anything similar. It does so happen that the principal author of the paper is the editor-in-chief of that journal"

Re: Flight characteristics of anomalous unidentified aerial vehicles (2019)

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Makes me wonder what the psychology and politics of anti-extraterrestrial beliefs and rules are. It's very plausible other beings exist, but what necessary axioms disintegrate if a society comes to believe in aliens, and why is it important to isolate and shame people who suspect it? I can see how our dominant moral systems are rooted in the idea of human primacy and a single One supreme being. Recognition that we ca…

> why is it important to isolate and shame people who suspect it

I'd argue that humans are tribal creatures, and that we don't need a reason to "other" people. On the contrary - our need to "other" people drives the creation of reasons to do so if necessary.

Re: Flight characteristics of anomalous unidentified aerial vehicles (2019)

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Makes me wonder what the psychology and politics of anti-extraterrestrial beliefs and rules are. It's very plausible other beings exist, but what necessary axioms disintegrate if a society comes to believe in aliens, and why is it important to isolate and shame people who suspect it? I can see how our dominant moral systems are rooted in the idea of human primacy and a single One supreme being. Recognition that we ca…

This article (linked) is a fun thought exploration of alien psychology/motivations as understood by us humans, given the history of our interactions ("known interactions" so to speak) with the aliens: https://www.overcomingbias.com/2021/03/social-ufo-stylized-f...

Re: Flight characteristics of anomalous unidentified aerial vehicles (2019)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The radar and FLIR aren't as easy to 'trick' though.

They could be, with RF and laser equipment running reasonably-advanced software to spoof such sensors . There are a lot of gotchas to work out here, but it's my best guess, aside from "craft that defy physics." Source: worked on such military equipment, back in the early 90s.

> They could be, with RF and laser equipment running reasonably-advanced software to spoof such sensors.

How would such RF and laser equipment spoof sensors that are thousands of feet in the air and moving at hundreds of miles per hour and moving in unpredictable ways? Radar is off the table--that would presumably have been detected, right? How would our spoofer spoof multiple sensors, separated by significant distance? Remember that some of these events involved multiple aircraft and ships, all of which saw the same data on their sensors. How could the spoofer engage all of these targets without its physical presence being detected by the various players, with all their various systems constantly searching?

Spoofing seems possible, but it seems like some kind of pre-planned hack would be the least offensive flavor of that particular theory. But even then, some of the pilots swear they saw these things with their own eyes (sometimes multiple people in a single aircraft, sometimes multiple people in different aircraft), which casts doubt on the whole 'spoofing' idea.

Of course, the most likely answer is that these reports are some simply untrue. If someone has an impossible story that you can't independently verify, there's no good reason to believe them.

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