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Ukraine's Nazi problem is real, even if Putin's 'denazification' claim isn't

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Re: Ukraine's Nazi problem is real, even if Putin's 'denazification' claim isn't

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> Now let's back to the more pressing issues? Like QE, inflation and gas prices which are masked with this gigantic and enormously important military conflict? I agree

No doubt for some this terrible tragedy could not come at a better moment. Like the buffoon currently clowning as UK prime minister... "Son of KGB agent handed a seat in the Lords" https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/sir-ian-botham-a-brother-...

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Re: Ukraine's Nazi problem is real, even if Putin's 'denazification' claim isn't

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> just have to read through your comments to see that you are Russia supporter. wut > I'm Jewish That's my favorite argument in internet discussions: "I'm Ukrainian and I don't support my government; I'm Russian and I hate Putin; I'm a liberal, but Trump is a great leader; I'm Jewish and..." > Antisemitism is part of Nazism. There is no Nazism without Antisemitism. Nazism is not about jews, it's about supremacy of th…

I actually answered you, not the article. Yo wrote:

"I don't think that supporting nazis with arms for a decade and training them to fight is a good idea and ukrainian nazis are not on my "side of the line". I have enough of them where I live, thank you very much. "Immediate threat" my ass."

Which doesn't make sense, is just dismissive as the Jews there are actually fighting the War led by a Jewish president. Where is your argument now https://www.timesofisrael.com/ukrainian-jews-push-back-again... ?

Re: Ukraine's Nazi problem is real, even if Putin's 'denazification' claim isn't

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> just have to read through your comments to see that you are Russia supporter. wut > I'm Jewish That's my favorite argument in internet discussions: "I'm Ukrainian and I don't support my government; I'm Russian and I hate Putin; I'm a liberal, but Trump is a great leader; I'm Jewish and..." > Antisemitism is part of Nazism. There is no Nazism without Antisemitism. Nazism is not about jews, it's about supremacy of th…

I actually answered you, not the article. Yo wrote: "I don't think that supporting nazis with arms for a decade and training them to fight is a good idea and ukrainian nazis are not on my "side of the line". I have enough of them where I live, thank you very much. "Immediate threat" my ass." Which doesn't make sense, is just dismissive as the Jews there are actually fighting the War led by a Jewish president. Where i…

> I actually answered you, not the article. Yo wrote:

It's hard to understand when you don't quote what you are answering

> Which doesn't make sense, is just dismissive as the Jews there are actually fighting the War led by a Jewish president. Where is your argument now https://www.timesofisrael.com/ukrainian-jews-push-back-again... ?

How jews fighting the Putin's invasion justifies supplying nazis with arms? Maybe it's self-explanatory for you, but i have no idea what do those people have in their heads. It's a free country, they can do what they want, i dont care

Re: Ukraine's Nazi problem is real, even if Putin's 'denazification' claim isn't

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I can't believe anyone still brings up Trump and a "refusal" to denounce white supremacy. It seems to me that there were so many opportunities to criticise Trump - as there is for any president, to be fair - that I have to wonder why the media persists in undermining their own reputation with this kind of nonsense instead, but it must be because it works. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bd0cMmBvqWc

He did more than refuse... "Trump Defends White-Nationalist Protesters: 'Some Very Fine People on Both Sides" https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/08/trump-d... Did the media made that one also?

> Did the media made that one also?

Yes, there are transcripts[1] that make clear that the media were not being honest. Let's take the very first line of the link you've provided:

> President Trump defended the white nationalists who protested in Charlottesville on Tuesday, saying they included “some very fine people,”

He did no such thing:

> THE PRESIDENT: Those people — all of those people –excuse me, I’ve condemned neo-Nazis. I’ve condemned many different groups. But not all of those people were neo-Nazis, believe me. Not all of those people were white supremacists by any stretch. Those people were also there because they wanted to protest the taking down of a statue of Robert E. Lee.

So before he makes the "fine people on both sides" comment he makes clear - several times, in fact - that there were not only alt-left and alt-right at that event but others who were either protesting the statues or defending them that were "ordinary" people i.e. fine people.

Again, how did you not know this? You are so active politically, if we take your numerous HN submissions into account, that I find it hard to believe you have missed this.

[1] https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/full-transcript-of-trum...

Re: Ukraine's Nazi problem is real, even if Putin's 'denazification' claim isn't

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He did more than refuse... "Trump Defends White-Nationalist Protesters: 'Some Very Fine People on Both Sides" https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/08/trump-d... Did the media made that one also?

> Did the media made that one also? Yes, there are transcripts[1] that make clear that the media were not being honest. Let's take the very first line of the link you've provided: > President Trump defended the white nationalists who protested in Charlottesville on Tuesday, saying they included “some very fine people,” He did no such thing: > THE PRESIDENT: Those people — all of those people –excuse me, I’ve condemne…

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Re: Ukraine's Nazi problem is real, even if Putin's 'denazification' claim isn't

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> Did the media made that one also? Yes, there are transcripts[1] that make clear that the media were not being honest. Let's take the very first line of the link you've provided: > President Trump defended the white nationalists who protested in Charlottesville on Tuesday, saying they included “some very fine people,” He did no such thing: > THE PRESIDENT: Those people — all of those people –excuse me, I’ve condemne…

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Where did you get that Playboy reference? That text is from former "disgruntled" employee's book that bashes Trump.

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-trump-racism/fact-...

EDIT: You removed your misquote of Trump and now added another quote

Re: Ukraine's Nazi problem is real, even if Putin's 'denazification' claim isn't

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> Did the media made that one also? Yes, there are transcripts[1] that make clear that the media were not being honest. Let's take the very first line of the link you've provided: > President Trump defended the white nationalists who protested in Charlottesville on Tuesday, saying they included “some very fine people,” He did no such thing: > THE PRESIDENT: Those people — all of those people –excuse me, I’ve condemne…

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If you don't want to defend the claim you made and I responded to, that's fine, I've made my point. However, to try and shift the goalposts while smearing me isn't fine.

You don't seem like the average HNer from either your post history nor your behaviour in this very thread. I'm not sure what to make of it, but please, don't continue in this vein.

Re: Ukraine's Nazi problem is real, even if Putin's 'denazification' claim isn't

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Where did you get that Playboy reference? That text is from former "disgruntled" employee's book that bashes Trump. https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-trump-racism/fact-... EDIT: You removed your misquote of Trump and now added another quote

And edited to make precise...you...account...created 11 min ago ;-)

Re: Ukraine's Nazi problem is real, even if Putin's 'denazification' claim isn't

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When you're fighting an invasion of your country, its a bad time to quibble about the ideological purity of the other people on your side of the line. It really is possible to find shared goals and cooperate on achieving them with people who do not totally agree with you. Once the immediate threat is addressed, those people might be the next item on the agenda; but this is "stand together or fall separately" territor…

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