Russians are trying to flee – data from Google Trends • Hacker News Board

Re: Russians are trying to flee – data from Google Trends

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Post by dolni » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 4:20 PM UTC

bluejekyll wrote: post #10

daenz wrote: post #2

This may very well be true, but I'm having trouble believing anything, from anyone, about the conflict. There is so much propaganda around the subject, that unless you are personally connected to an official source, I believe you can't know with any reasonable certainty. The primary source for this story appears to be public Google Trends data.

And this is the exactly why lies and dis/misinformation are so dangerous to society. It makes every source questionable, even one’s like the economist that have tended to give fairly accurate balanced news. The first amendment is a double edged sword, but all false statements need to be challenged so that a free and Democratic society can function properly. The problem is that lies are cheap to produce, and the truth…

Are you suggesting that free speech is responsible for misinformation?

The first amendment is absolutely not a double-edged sword. The alternative is STRICTLY worse. You end up with governments, like China's, who lie and challenging that lie is punishable.

Re: Russians are trying to flee – data from Google Trends

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Post by droptablemain » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 4:20 PM UTC

arka2147483647 wrote: post #7

daenz wrote: post #2

This may very well be true, but I'm having trouble believing anything, from anyone, about the conflict. There is so much propaganda around the subject, that unless you are personally connected to an official source, I believe you can't know with any reasonable certainty. The primary source for this story appears to be public Google Trends data.

This is what russian trolls want. So much uncertainty, that you don’t belive anything. Not even truth.

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Re: Russians are trying to flee – data from Google Trends

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Post by rightbyte » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 4:20 PM UTC

arka2147483647 wrote: post #7

daenz wrote: post #2

This may very well be true, but I'm having trouble believing anything, from anyone, about the conflict. There is so much propaganda around the subject, that unless you are personally connected to an official source, I believe you can't know with any reasonable certainty. The primary source for this story appears to be public Google Trends data.

This is what russian trolls want. So much uncertainty, that you don’t belive anything. Not even truth.

I have given up on 'troll' almost as much as 'literally'.

A troll would pretend to support Putin and so on.

Re: Russians are trying to flee – data from Google Trends

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Post by jacquesm » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 4:21 PM UTC

daenz wrote: post #2

This may very well be true, but I'm having trouble believing anything, from anyone, about the conflict. There is so much propaganda around the subject, that unless you are personally connected to an official source, I believe you can't know with any reasonable certainty. The primary source for this story appears to be public Google Trends data.

Except that there is plenty of evidence that this is really the case. Russians are crossing the border in unprecedented numbers, for instance:

https://yle.fi/news/3-12345301

Flying is getting harder and harder so while the borders are still open (there is talk of martial law in Russia, which, even though it was just denied does not seem to have much effect on calming things down, in fact the denial seems to have the opposite effect), people are getting out via the land, either by car or by train.

Re: Russians are trying to flee – data from Google Trends

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 4:21 PM UTC

bluejekyll wrote: post #10

daenz wrote: post #2

This may very well be true, but I'm having trouble believing anything, from anyone, about the conflict. There is so much propaganda around the subject, that unless you are personally connected to an official source, I believe you can't know with any reasonable certainty. The primary source for this story appears to be public Google Trends data.

And this is the exactly why lies and dis/misinformation are so dangerous to society. It makes every source questionable, even one’s like the economist that have tended to give fairly accurate balanced news. The first amendment is a double edged sword, but all false statements need to be challenged so that a free and Democratic society can function properly. The problem is that lies are cheap to produce, and the truth…

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Re: Russians are trying to flee – data from Google Trends

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Post by ajross » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 4:21 PM UTC

bsedlm wrote: post #11

therusskiy wrote: post #6

I managed to escape the country yesterday, had to flight to Egypt of all places, because ALL (even business) tickets were sold out. The recent news is that starting March 6 all international flights are suspended, the trap has closed. The disheartening thing is that even if you never supported Putin, other countries treat you as enemy. I am at Georgia now and banks refuse to open bank accounts to Russians, and I need…

a lot of people seem ok with punishing Russian individuals for the actions of the government. maybe these people have grown in better functioning democracies (unlike Russia or my own country) so they act as if the people were well represented by their governments; unlike reality for most countries with a serious corruption problem.

> a lot of people seem ok with punishing Russian individuals for the actions of the government.

What's the option, though? Inaction? Sanctions hurt the people because hurting the support base is the only way to exert pressure on those unrepresentative governments.

At the end of the day, all governments operate via the consent of the governed, even autocracies. But the expression of that consent gets really ugly the less democratic the environment. The international community can't fix Russian democracy, so all that is left for us (absent military action) is to change the reward structure for those who can.

Re: Russians are trying to flee – data from Google Trends

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Post by jorgesborges » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 4:21 PM UTC

therusskiy wrote: post #6

I managed to escape the country yesterday, had to flight to Egypt of all places, because ALL (even business) tickets were sold out. The recent news is that starting March 6 all international flights are suspended, the trap has closed. The disheartening thing is that even if you never supported Putin, other countries treat you as enemy. I am at Georgia now and banks refuse to open bank accounts to Russians, and I need…

I’m sorry to hear about your situation and I’m wishing you, your friends, and your family the best of luck. I don’t consider you or anyone in your situation an enemy. Take care.

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Post by jacquesm » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 4:21 PM UTC

droptablemain wrote: post #22

arka2147483647 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is what russian trolls want. So much uncertainty, that you don’t belive anything. Not even truth.

Quoted post unavailable.

> Seems like most of the disinformation is currently coming from the NATO/Ukraine side.

Sure... /s

That's probably why the West has just enacted a law that whoever talks about the war in Ukraine in terms of war will face all kinds of trouble. Oh, wait.

Really, you can't make this stuff up, do you actually believe that people on HN will read what you say and then dutifully turn to Pravda for their news from now on?

Re: Russians are trying to flee – data from Google Trends

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Post by blfr » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 4:21 PM UTC

bluejekyll wrote: post #10

daenz wrote: post #2

This may very well be true, but I'm having trouble believing anything, from anyone, about the conflict. There is so much propaganda around the subject, that unless you are personally connected to an official source, I believe you can't know with any reasonable certainty. The primary source for this story appears to be public Google Trends data.

And this is the exactly why lies and dis/misinformation are so dangerous to society. It makes every source questionable, even one’s like the economist that have tended to give fairly accurate balanced news. The first amendment is a double edged sword, but all false statements need to be challenged so that a free and Democratic society can function properly. The problem is that lies are cheap to produce, and the truth…

What made media outlets questionable and untrustworthy is their blatant agenda, not outside misinformation. I don't even need them to be accurate, balanced, or some other high quality, but they have turned into straight-up propaganda and present almost fact-free moralistic view of the world.

Re: Russians are trying to flee – data from Google Trends

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Post by therusskiy » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 4:22 PM UTC

martinko wrote: post #15

therusskiy wrote: post #6

I managed to escape the country yesterday, had to flight to Egypt of all places, because ALL (even business) tickets were sold out. The recent news is that starting March 6 all international flights are suspended, the trap has closed. The disheartening thing is that even if you never supported Putin, other countries treat you as enemy. I am at Georgia now and banks refuse to open bank accounts to Russians, and I need…

Have you considered being paid in, for example, USDC? You could then get a visa card that you could top up with it for spending.

I've been a big crypto sceptic for a long time, but with the current situation I had to deposit a lot of money to Binance, because Russian banks/government has stopped allowing people to withdraw USD from ATMs, forbidden transfers to other countries (only $5k/m to relatives), forbidden to cross borders with more than $10k (not they are possible to cross at all now).