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Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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It's good to remember that the previous American president also waged a war against every media outlet he didn't like by claiming they were "fake news." It's the same authoritarianism in different stages. And if you think nobody in America wants to jail journalists and media CEOs, go look at any forum with a substantial amount of Republicans talking freely.

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Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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It's good to remember that the previous American president also waged a war against every media outlet he didn't like by claiming they were "fake news." It's the same authoritarianism in different stages. And if you think nobody in America wants to jail journalists and media CEOs, go look at any forum with a substantial amount of Republicans talking freely.

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Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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I was very surprised to see virtually all hacking groups declare war on russia over this war. So many APT groups are Russian but they do oppose the war. The expected cyber war is all Russia's to deal with.

The actual war isn't going well at all. Their reg troops are driving by wrecked russian equipment destroying their morale.

So they can't deal with reality, send everyone who dissents to prison.

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A new arrival to Gulag is asked: "What were you given 10 years for?" – "For nothing!" – "Don't lie to us here, now! Everybody knows 'for nothing' is 3 years."

I literally laughed out loud when I hit that line in Gulag Archipelago. Solzhenitsyn was brilliant.

Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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A new arrival to Gulag is asked: "What were you given 10 years for?" – "For nothing!" – "Don't lie to us here, now! Everybody knows 'for nothing' is 3 years."

I literally laughed out loud when I hit that line in Gulag Archipelago. Solzhenitsyn was brilliant.

How does every Russian joke begin? By looking over your shoulder.

Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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Ironically this article itself is fake news: 1. It is just a proposal: “The proposed legislation, which is supported by Vyacheslav Volodin, the parliamentary speaker, a close ally of President Putin, could be discussed by parliament as early as this week, state television reported.” 2. Another wild proposal, to forcibly conscript protestors, was shot down by Kremlin: https://twitter.com/GazetaRu/status/14994021198366…

How is the article fake news when it agrees with (is literally the source for) your main point?

Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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post #9

It's good to remember that the previous American president also waged a war against every media outlet he didn't like by claiming they were "fake news." It's the same authoritarianism in different stages. And if you think nobody in America wants to jail journalists and media CEOs, go look at any forum with a substantial amount of Republicans talking freely.

That's not really a good comparison. Being an asshole to journalists if really different than putting them in jail for their reporting. The difference here is that some Republicans who have no power to actually do that talk shit about doing it, but Putin actually jails a lot of journalists.

Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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I guess why: https://nitter.snopyta.org/MarkAmesExiled/status/14991264245... No one is innocent here. On Spanish media they dared to use videogame images (Arma 3) as real footage, ditto with a Chinese civil explosion (causality/accident) as a Russia bombing strike.

> No one is innocent

I'm going to go with jailing citizens for 15 years as much worse than mildly critical journalists in Russia.

Ignoring your combo whataboutism and gish gallop. Don't think Russia has much jurisdiction over some Spanish news channel.

Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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I guess why: https://nitter.snopyta.org/MarkAmesExiled/status/14991264245... No one is innocent here. On Spanish media they dared to use videogame images (Arma 3) as real footage, ditto with a Chinese civil explosion (causality/accident) as a Russia bombing strike.

> No one is innocent I'm going to go with jailing citizens for 15 years as much worse than mildly critical journalists in Russia. Ignoring your combo whataboutism and gish gallop. Don't think Russia has much jurisdiction over some Spanish news channel.

Lithuania will be doing the exact same.

Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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It's good to remember that the previous American president also waged a war against every media outlet he didn't like by claiming they were "fake news." It's the same authoritarianism in different stages. And if you think nobody in America wants to jail journalists and media CEOs, go look at any forum with a substantial amount of Republicans talking freely.

> And if you think nobody in America wants to jail journalists and media CEOs, go look at any forum with a substantial amount of Republicans talking freely.

I'm a liberal and would like to point out that fellow liberals say the same about conservatives. We're wasting energy and making enemies fighting a narrative warfare, and it's frankly very stupid.

Jail the their protestors, but not our own. Deplatform their voices and curtail their free speech, but not our own. It's the exact same behavior in both sides, yet both parties rush in to say how they're different and morally correct.

We need to mend ties, not strain them further. We're becoming too polarized, and that's exactly what authoritarians that eye the end of Democracy and its influence want. We're focused on fighting our petty squabbles instead of positioning ourselves in the global sphere.

If you think any of our manufactured crises are even in the same order of magnitude as what Ukraine is facing right now, then they're already winning.

My worry isn't in owning or being owned by the other party. It's that Democracy is shown to be less effective, that free speech is put in a box, and that we end the century in shackles. No future under those pretenses is worth looking forward to.

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