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Re: Psychological Operations

#21
> You’ll also use social media [...] to share information meant to help change minds and behaviors in the U.S. Army’s interest.

Back when I used reddit, I almost certainly came across at least two (2) of these folks. I was participating in discussion on $GEOPOLITICAL_TOPIC on a certain subreddit (probably classified as a foreign TA) and on two separate occasions, users DM'd me in a friendly manner and seemed to want to have a good faith chat about it. They dropped lots of unsolicited links, one even said "I wish we could talk about this over drinks", but when I calmly refuted their talking points, they quickly ended the conversation.

At the time it immediately reminded me of the analogous "deradicalisation" psyops in the context of far-right/Islamic extremism.

The key behavior was the "trying to be your friend" bit. They could have just replied to my comments publicly, like a normal user.

Re: Psychological Operations

#22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you notice an increase of techniques or pattern usually related to PsyOps (no matter from which side) during the weeks leading to the Ukraine invasion?

At a purely definitive level, no. PsyOp cannot create a campaign (i.e. a coordinated approach to influence with objectives, timelines, etc.) with US citizens as an intended audience, but there truly isn't much difference between public relations / mass communication and some core PsyOp procedures. That said, I think our intelligence community and executive branch did an incredible job of establishing themselves as a…

> I think our intelligence community and executive branch did an incredible job of establishing themselves as a high-credibility source from even before the invasion, allowing them to easily counter propaganda sponsored by Russia or whomever else.

I noticed that too, and I've seen a few experts other than you say it. I've always thought that the US fell far behind on information operations. Others like the Russians seemed to run circles around the US, which would produce anodyne responses much too late. I despaired that the US didn't seem to prioritize it, and would inevitably lose contests for hearts and minds, and lose them gradually in the long run. Organizationally, what do you think was the difference that motivated this change? Will it happen again?

Re: Psychological Operations

#23
Grow your career releasing domestic propaganda now that the 2013 NDAA removed the Smith-Mundt Act ban on domestic propaganda. You too can earn $13k/year posting on multiple social media sites from a flowchart given to you that day. Never let the truth stand in the way of national security interests.

Re: Psychological Operations

#24

Former PsyOp guy here with OEF experience, now working in cybersecurity. Please feel welcome to ask me (almost!) anything, and I'll do my best to respond. edit - this TTP FM [0] (warning, PDF ahead) seems to be freely available, and gives a comprehensive overview of what PsyOp actually does in the modern US Army. Perhaps most relevant for today is propaganda analysis and the SCAME method, a multi-faceted approach to…

How do you feel about psyops deployed domestically, against US citizens? For example, there currently appear to be psyops against worker unions, raising the minimum wage, and the potential for a 4-day work week. Were you experienced in these?

> How do you feel about psyops deployed domestically, against US citizens?

Short answer is that PsyOp is not used domestically.

There are a number of criteria for something to be considered actual factual psyop activity, and a private company attempting to influence US citizens would automatically fall short of those criteria. My work was done exclusively and entirely in Afghanistan.

Re: Psychological Operations

#25
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I would think this specialty would build skills that are well compensated in the private sector: public relations, marketing, political campaigns, journalism, SEO. Since gaslighting and enlightening aren't all that different in terms of PsyOps, also include teaching. Convincing a population that they are being liberated rather than invaded is good training for convincing another population to use chorizo flavored too…

has a population ever been convinced they were being liberated? seems to me that's more of a lie to tell the invading soldiers to give them high morale until the truth sinks in

I think it could be a common delusion of the invaders. In the Iraq war, I think the Bush administration really thought, in a fit of megalomania, the Iraqis would welcome them as liberators. I once read a military historian who said (paraphrasing), "you can always identify a bad war plan when it ends with 'and then the local population will rise up and join us'". It's such an incredibly egocentric view of the world.

I knew someone who was in one of the lead units in the Iraq war. They said they were instructed to tell people in each town that the US forces had come to liberate them, and that the locals would of course rise up and help the Americans. They said every town was the same: they'd make the announcement, and then they'd hear the mortars coming ...

It turns out people don't like foreigners with guns taking over their towns by force, no matter what their stated intentions. Imagine how you would feel.

Re: Psychological Operations

#26

Former PsyOp guy here with OEF experience, now working in cybersecurity. Please feel welcome to ask me (almost!) anything, and I'll do my best to respond. edit - this TTP FM [0] (warning, PDF ahead) seems to be freely available, and gives a comprehensive overview of what PsyOp actually does in the modern US Army. Perhaps most relevant for today is propaganda analysis and the SCAME method, a multi-faceted approach to…

How much warfare is currently happening on social media sites, nationally operated or otherwise? Are sites like 4chan, facebook, reddit or twitter very influenced by governmental PsyOp operations, national or foreign? To the average bloke like me it would seem like discussions on these pages are being "managed" A LOT, but i could not tell if that is the effects of standard propaganda on the population like the news o…

The answers to your leading questions are probably classified at the TS/SCI level.

I think it's safe to assume that there are a non-trivial amount of psyops happening on those platforms, since those sites are among the main sources of information for almost all people. It would be foolish to not target such low hanging fruit to manufacture consent if you are trying to influence populations.

I would go further and add wikipedia and google results to the list. Conflict of interest edits on wikipedia by companies and legislatures are nothing new. Check out CongressEdits[0] and the slew of bots that it inspired, which enabled monitoring of IP address ranges that edit wikipedia.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CongressEdits

Re: Psychological Operations

#27
Every conspiracy theory out there seems to revolve around the concept of psychological operations, and they're at least as right as a stopped clock. The problem I see with them is that when a military tactic gets used against civilians, it would seem to make a kinetic response both justified and ethical. This idea that deception is somehow more ethical or acceptable than violence or the threat of it is itself, a psychological operation with real and negative consequences. I get that we're all trained to reject violence and co-ordinate to use shame against anyone who doesn't proclaim that enthusiastically enough, but if an organization or movement uses covert military tactics to dissolve or fabricate norms that result in militarily strategic political and economic outcomes, the unintended consequence is it may morally justify a kinetic repsponse as proportional.

An example of this is the news out of the UK that they used "totalitarian tactics" (their own words) during covid to shut down the entire economy and wipe out a lot of small businesses, https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/05/14/scientists-admit...

Arguably, a commensurate and proportional response to using psychological operations to destroy the livelihoods of perhaps millions of small business owners would at the very least be a traditional pillorying, if not something more severe. In radically eschewing the idea of violence (even including words and silence in its current definition), we've had the effect of normalizing deception to the point that we're completely destroying trust in institutions, and increasingly, each other, where all the minor incidents of violence that didn't happen because of organized deception now risk all happening at once.

Sure, do psyops against the Enemy, but when you turn them on civilians, it's worth considering you have to live with the people you use them on, and they have long memories.

Re: Psychological Operations

#28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you feel about psyops deployed domestically, against US citizens? For example, there currently appear to be psyops against worker unions, raising the minimum wage, and the potential for a 4-day work week. Were you experienced in these?

> How do you feel about psyops deployed domestically, against US citizens? Short answer is that PsyOp is not used domestically. There are a number of criteria for something to be considered actual factual psyop activity, and a private company attempting to influence US citizens would automatically fall short of those criteria. My work was done exclusively and entirely in Afghanistan.

Wouldn't it likely be an agency performing domestic PysOps, not the military? And I would guess that it would be TS/SCI or higher, so not really known.

Re: Psychological Operations

#29
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ask me (almost!) anything How well were you able to leverage automation and the internet to scale the effectiveness of your mission?

Not op, and I don’t know his answer, but… The most interesting stuff falls into the “almost!” category.

Haha you can ask it. You just might get a non-answer answer.

Re: Psychological Operations

#30

Former PsyOp guy here with OEF experience, now working in cybersecurity. Please feel welcome to ask me (almost!) anything, and I'll do my best to respond. edit - this TTP FM [0] (warning, PDF ahead) seems to be freely available, and gives a comprehensive overview of what PsyOp actually does in the modern US Army. Perhaps most relevant for today is propaganda analysis and the SCAME method, a multi-faceted approach to…

I don't know psyops well, but I do know just a little about small unit tactics, and I've noticed that certain groups seem to use, at a level sophisticated enough to clearly indicate they know what they are doing, the public information equivalent of the small unit tactics - complementary effects, reinforcing effects, fixing the enemy, the focus on offense and movement, etc. Is that a fair description of psyops - the…

> Is that a fair description of psyops - the information equivalent of more 'physical' tactics?

Absolutely it is. From a historical perspective, the tactic has known many names: Psychological Warfare, Psychological Operations, Military Information Support Operations, etc. By definition, however, only 37-series (e.g. MOS 37F, MOS 37A) folks trained out at Ft. Bragg are able to conduct PsyOp.

Political groups, private sector companies, etc. certainly conduct influence operations - sometimes at the direction of former PsyOp personnel - but there are legal distinctions and differences. It's one reason I enjoy limiting how much television I watch: advertisements are just watered-down influence operations with the goal of "spend money on X".

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