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There is no such thing as a CEO of pre-product startup. Get off of it.

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Re: There is no such thing as a CEO of pre-product startup. Get off of it.

#21

> And if your early guys ask what they should put on their resume, tell them put anything down. If you are called about a former employee and can't answer the question "what was their title" with something more concrete than "meh, whatever", you will sound like a fraudulent reference. You're inadvertently screwing over your employees if you don't pick something reasonable and stick with it (modulo actual role changes…

This is worth considering, but it depends on who's calling, what industry you, they, and the candidate are in, etc.

If you answer the question "what was their title?" with "they mostly did X and Y, they were incredible", I doubt that's going to cost them the job (assuming they'd put something like X and Y on their resume). Or at least, I wouldn't want to work at any place where the Levenshtein distance between the title on my resume and the title quoted by my supervisor was a critical part of the hiring decision.

For example, Yahoo lets technical employees choose their own titles, with a default of "Technical Yahoo". My ex-coworkers who chose alternative titles don't seem to have been handicapped in their subsequent careers.

Re: There is no such thing as a CEO of pre-product startup. Get off of it.

#22
Heh. I once worked in sales / technical support / geekery for a smallish computer/networking var. Since I was the only sales person other than the owner I was given my choice of titles. I chose "Vice President of Intergalactic Sales and Extra-Terrestrial Support". It barely fit on the business card.

It did win us some occasional business though.

Re: There is no such thing as a CEO of pre-product startup. Get off of it.

#23
I don't see any issues with C-level executive titles as long as EGO doesn't come with it. I'd prefer Chief Nerd Wrangler myself but more often than not (at least in my case) it would only fair so well when mingling with certain styles of companies.

To each their own really, it'll operate differently in different contexts. In the context of the article I would say it would be fair that none of them have titles to begin with, including the new hire.

Forego them temporarily & operate in a bit more 'round table' style if feasible. If the titles are a burden and getting in front of the work to be done, it's not the work that is about to be thrown out the window :)

Re: There is no such thing as a CEO of pre-product startup. Get off of it.

#24
post #21

> And if your early guys ask what they should put on their resume, tell them put anything down. If you are called about a former employee and can't answer the question "what was their title" with something more concrete than "meh, whatever", you will sound like a fraudulent reference. You're inadvertently screwing over your employees if you don't pick something reasonable and stick with it (modulo actual role changes…

This is worth considering, but it depends on who's calling, what industry you, they, and the candidate are in, etc. If you answer the question "what was their title?" with "they mostly did X and Y, they were incredible", I doubt that's going to cost them the job (assuming they'd put something like X and Y on their resume). Or at least, I wouldn't want to work at any place where the Levenshtein distance between the ti…

I wouldn't want to work at any place where the Levenshtein distance between the title on my resume and the title quoted by my supervisor was a critical part of the hiring decision.

Well, "critical" might not apply... maybe it's just an early filter by HR. This filtering out of people who lie on their resume will have a few false positives, but even the best filters are going to have a non-negligible false positive rate -- it's enough that they mostly work, as long as you're swamped with mediocre and inappropriate applicants.

With thousands of resumes coming in daily for a position (I'm guessing), some semi-automated winnowing must happen, and any test you devise will have some potentially awesome candidate crying foul (though such an awesome candidate is probably not in your pool of applicants today, or tomorrow).

Re: There is no such thing as a CEO of pre-product startup. Get off of it.

#25

> And if your early guys ask what they should put on their resume, tell them put anything down. If you are called about a former employee and can't answer the question "what was their title" with something more concrete than "meh, whatever", you will sound like a fraudulent reference. You're inadvertently screwing over your employees if you don't pick something reasonable and stick with it (modulo actual role changes…

This is why I call my references and remind them of what I want them to say.

"Hi X, as we discussed I used you for a reference for a Quality Assurance Developer role from our time together at FooCorp. I mentioned our debugging of the priority inversion problem in our server, writing the kernel module, and working with you to integrate scripting. Thanks!"

Re: There is no such thing as a CEO of pre-product startup. Get off of it.

#26
Agreed! There is no CTO, no CEO, no nothing until things reach a certain level of funding and traction. You're just a team trying to build a product that is useful. And like Eric Ries says, you may miss the target the first time. You have to rapidly iterate until you hit the mark - then maybe you can give yourself C-level titles. I personally think they're too snobby though - how about just 'Partner.'

Re: There is no such thing as a CEO of pre-product startup. Get off of it.

#27
post #22

Heh. I once worked in sales / technical support / geekery for a smallish computer/networking var. Since I was the only sales person other than the owner I was given my choice of titles. I chose "Vice President of Intergalactic Sales and Extra-Terrestrial Support". It barely fit on the business card. It did win us some occasional business though.

A colleague once had his official title be "Keeper of the Magic." This was in a fairly large company to.

Re: There is no such thing as a CEO of pre-product startup. Get off of it.

#28
Its a foolish dispute ... but the new hire's insistence on the CTO title is a red flag to me as well.

I'd just create a Vice President of Technology position, and offer it to the co-founder ... if he doesn't go for it ... offer it to the new hire ... if he doesn't go for it ... I'd keep looking.

Re: There is no such thing as a CEO of pre-product startup. Get off of it.

#30

> And if your early guys ask what they should put on their resume, tell them put anything down. If you are called about a former employee and can't answer the question "what was their title" with something more concrete than "meh, whatever", you will sound like a fraudulent reference. You're inadvertently screwing over your employees if you don't pick something reasonable and stick with it (modulo actual role changes…

What's wrong with honestly saying, "I worked for a small start up and we didn't have titles". Why do you have to pretend it was something it wasn't?
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