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Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by Mashimo »

ihateolives wrote: post #7

Interesting. I was recently looking to upgrade my personal T480s which I use for development, but didn't see anything in Lenovo lineup that were reasonably light/powerful/quiet/cool enough to make put in the order. I've grown so sick of laptops constantly hissing at me when I do something more complicated than browsing the web. My work issued Dell is basically unusable in a quiet room without headphones. So as an imp…

I got the T14 Gen1, basically the direct successor of the T480. What I notice is when I put the power profile to balanced it's very quiet. But of course does not power up all the way. Fast enough for my needs, but of course might not be a solution for everyone.

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by rbanffy »

sschueller wrote: post #18
mobilio wrote: post #16

"The ThinkPad 13s will start at $1,099 when it comes out in May." It's too expensive for an ARM device.

But Apple's aren't? I agree with you but they are pricing it relative to what they can get away with and Apple set the starting point for ARM based laptops.

The M1-based Macs are faster, lighter, offer seamless compatibility, run iOS software, have better screens and better battery life than modern comparable laptops. It's also faster than this Snapdragon chip. And starts from $999.

It also runs a really good Unix OS. This laptop still won't run Linux out of the box.

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by rvz »

pjmlp wrote: post #11
josteink wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When people ask “Does it run Linux”, they typically don’t mean WSL (which in its current iteration is essentially just a VM).

That is the only usable way for Linux Desktop on laptops after 20 years going for it.

Exactly. WSL2 effectively makes Windows 10/11 the best Linux distro out there without all the steps of formatting, wiping and backing up disks and then installing it.

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by skywal_l »

pjmlp wrote: post #11
josteink wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When people ask “Does it run Linux”, they typically don’t mean WSL (which in its current iteration is essentially just a VM).

That is the only usable way for Linux Desktop on laptops after 20 years going for it.

Ubuntu works like a charm on an HP Envy x360 13.

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by neya »

sschueller wrote: post #18
mobilio wrote: post #16

"The ThinkPad 13s will start at $1,099 when it comes out in May." It's too expensive for an ARM device.

But Apple's aren't? I agree with you but they are pricing it relative to what they can get away with and Apple set the starting point for ARM based laptops.

Apple earned it - they don't charge you just for the laptop, it's for the entire ecosystem - For example, you can run iOS apps on Apple's ARM device. And what exactly does Lenovo bring to the table other than embedded spyware (which they've been caught in the past for)?

Seriously hard to justify $1000+ for this crap.

References:

[1] https://www.inverse.com/innovation/36136-lenovo-settles-spyw...

[2] https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/05/lenovo-tumbles-after-report-...

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by schipplock »

ihateolives wrote: post #7

Interesting. I was recently looking to upgrade my personal T480s which I use for development, but didn't see anything in Lenovo lineup that were reasonably light/powerful/quiet/cool enough to make put in the order. I've grown so sick of laptops constantly hissing at me when I do something more complicated than browsing the web. My work issued Dell is basically unusable in a quiet room without headphones. So as an imp…

My Thinkpad E14 Gen3 is quiet most of the time. My T470p is boiling my hands and the fan is constantly whirring (I still like it :)).

But I agree, Apples MacBook is of a different kind. The only time I heard the fan was when playing Metro Exodus and when I ran cinebench :). My MacBook Pro outperforms every other computer in my possession.

But I'm still interested in this Thinkpad, because I'm not too happy with macOS anymore. But I assume there are too many limitations with Windows for ARM as well :). And considering the price of this Thinkpad, I'm probably just buying another MacBook, which has better battery life and better performance (and probably a better screen, Thinkpads often have terrible screens imho).

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by ihateolives »

Mashimo wrote: post #21
ihateolives wrote: post #7

Interesting. I was recently looking to upgrade my personal T480s which I use for development, but didn't see anything in Lenovo lineup that were reasonably light/powerful/quiet/cool enough to make put in the order. I've grown so sick of laptops constantly hissing at me when I do something more complicated than browsing the web. My work issued Dell is basically unusable in a quiet room without headphones. So as an imp…

I got the T14 Gen1, basically the direct successor of the T480. What I notice is when I put the power profile to balanced it's very quiet. But of course does not power up all the way. Fast enough for my needs, but of course might not be a solution for everyone.

I was looking at T14, but I'm used to having slim laptop, s variants have been slightly powerful but lighter and with slimmer profile. The thing with M1 is that the difference with 8th gen i5 in my T480s is for some workloads 2x, if not more. And difference in some Lightroom tools is easily even more. M1 is amazing. Plus, it's quiet. I didn't know I missed silence so much. It's hard to go back now.

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by pjmlp »

rbanffy wrote: post #22
sschueller wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But Apple's aren't? I agree with you but they are pricing it relative to what they can get away with and Apple set the starting point for ARM based laptops.

The M1-based Macs are faster, lighter, offer seamless compatibility, run iOS software, have better screens and better battery life than modern comparable laptops. It's also faster than this Snapdragon chip. And starts from $999. It also runs a really good Unix OS. This laptop still won't run Linux out of the box.

WSL2, as good as it gets.

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by pjmlp »

skywal_l wrote: post #24
pjmlp wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is the only usable way for Linux Desktop on laptops after 20 years going for it.

Ubuntu works like a charm on an HP Envy x360 13.

My Asus 1215 B, sold with Linux pre-installed has a different opinion on the matter.
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