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Re: Newly published 9/11 footage [video]

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Post by mbustamanter »

Invictus0 wrote: post #17
mbustamanter wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's hard to believe, but new media of the September 11 attacks (and the towers before) comes out all the time. This includes rare pictures and videos. There are YouTube channels [0] specifically dedicated to finding music played on the plaza (muzak), partly inspired by Jack Taliercio's video [1], where you can hear songs being played while the attacks went down. Other channels have more mainstream videos (FOIA, NIST…

After all these years, I've still never seen a video of the Pentagon impact. Has anything come out for that?

I personally don't know if there ever was a video of the impact other than that of the security camera [0]. I think of two reasons: the Pentagon is not NY, which is a highly populated area in a developed country, it's natural that so many people were filming. Even more so, the Twin Towers were cultural icons. I don't know if many people were around the Pentagon, but I have read about witnesses of the crash in DC. The other reason would be that they don't want to release it and it's understandable.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pentagon#11_September_2001...

Re: Newly published 9/11 footage [video]

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Post by TacticalCoder »

Invictus0 wrote: post #17
mbustamanter wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's hard to believe, but new media of the September 11 attacks (and the towers before) comes out all the time. This includes rare pictures and videos. There are YouTube channels [0] specifically dedicated to finding music played on the plaza (muzak), partly inspired by Jack Taliercio's video [1], where you can hear songs being played while the attacks went down. Other channels have more mainstream videos (FOIA, NIST…

After all these years, I've still never seen a video of the Pentagon impact. Has anything come out for that?

Some 3 letters agency (FBI?) immediately raided all the nearby places that could have had cams and seized everything. I'm pretty sure that it's documented: IIRC footage from a petrol station nearby was confiscated.

I was there (at the time, in front of my TV I mean) and I clearly remember the first witnesses being interviewed by reporters: as soon as a witness would say something not fitting the official narrative, it would never be aired again. For example regarding the pentagon one eye-witness said he saw something like a big missile on which wings had been strapped. I saw that on TV. I clearly remember it. Now I'm not saying it's not a Boeing that hit the Pentagon: what I'm saying is that it's very weird that all these ramblings from these drunkards mistaking, say, a Boeing with a "missile with wings strapped on it" were basically aired once then erased. I'm pretty sure that guy was both drunk and of course because the plane was going fast, the mistake was made in honest faith (you, too, would certainly mistake a Boeing for a missile with wings strapped on it).

Same thing with people saying they heard explosions in the WTC: as soon as they'd mention that, they'd be cut off by reporters and these people would never be interviewed again and their account never aired again (FWIW I don't believe in a controlled demolition but I do believe in narrative manipulation).

After these oddities of course we all know totally normal things then happened: for example IIRC one the rare flight that was allowed to happen when no plane were flying in the US was a flight evacuating members of the Bin Laden family.

And then the wars that followed. Made perfect sense. No fabricated evidence. Guantanamo and the like: all perfectly cromulent.

When you take all this, honestly that we don't have any footage of that impact just seems on par for the course.

Re: Newly published 9/11 footage [video]

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Post by TacticalCoder »

I'll just say this: many here are convinced our AI overlords have landed and we'll soon all be out of jobs and deepfakes are undistinguishable from the real thing.

So I'll say this: if you believe AI is advanced, then in 2022 it's not possible to take this video for granted and you have to take into account that all evidence surfacing from now may be deepfakes. I'm not saying they are: I'm saying you have to keep that in mind.

Re: Newly published 9/11 footage [video]

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Post by moron4hire »

Invictus0 wrote: post #17
mbustamanter wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's hard to believe, but new media of the September 11 attacks (and the towers before) comes out all the time. This includes rare pictures and videos. There are YouTube channels [0] specifically dedicated to finding music played on the plaza (muzak), partly inspired by Jack Taliercio's video [1], where you can hear songs being played while the attacks went down. Other channels have more mainstream videos (FOIA, NIST…

After all these years, I've still never seen a video of the Pentagon impact. Has anything come out for that?

The road patterns were different back then (they changed them specifically because of 9/11), but if you've ever been near the Pentagon, it's pretty obvious: it's a low building, nestled in a bowl-like land formation, there aren't many good places to sit and "observe" it, and it's surrounded by highways. Most of the time, if you are looking at the Pentagon, you are probably also driving.

Re: Newly published 9/11 footage [video]

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Post by ethbr0 »

lovehashbrowns wrote: post #8
techdragon wrote: post #6

Definitely a new angle, but it’s also strange after so many years to find good footage like this. The random extra stuff at the end make it feel very genuinely “found an old miniDV tape with some footage of forgotten about.” But it’s also just really weird to hear people talking so clearly the moment after it happens. It’s preserved a slightly surreal moment of shock quite well.

The two other videos that got posted alongside this one makes me think it was a "forgotten tape that just got digitized" type of deal. However, I can also see there being an element of trauma and just not wanting to revisit the footage on purpose. I know I have some pictures I never want to look at again, although nothing on this scale.

As someone who watched the second plane hit live on CNN, it was... hard.

People who weren't alive or were otherwise busy that morning don't remember the uncertainty after the first plane. Everyone thought it was an accident.

No one could conceive it was a deliberate strike. Everyone knew terrorists hijacked airplanes to fly to third world countries, not to commit suicide into buildings.

That cognitive dissonance all collapsed in a single instant as the second plane hit. And that's a lot to process all at once. I still can't watch video footage without crying.

If I'd been the videographer, you'd better believe I'd have locked this in my attic and forgotten about it.

Re: Newly published 9/11 footage [video]

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Post by rendall »

Back in 2001/2002, I went to a series of seminars hosted by the artist Natalie Jeremijenko. One of the presenting artists had footage of the Pentagon attack, taken from a camera he had set up on the Potomac River. He refused to give anyone else access to it. "I want to think about how to best present this footage." he said. I still have never seen that footage again to this day, and the selfishness makes me angry whenever I think of it.

Re: Newly published 9/11 footage [video]

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Post by jallen_dot_dev »

TacticalCoder wrote: post #22
Invictus0 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After all these years, I've still never seen a video of the Pentagon impact. Has anything come out for that?

Some 3 letters agency (FBI?) immediately raided all the nearby places that could have had cams and seized everything. I'm pretty sure that it's documented: IIRC footage from a petrol station nearby was confiscated. I was there (at the time, in front of my TV I mean) and I clearly remember the first witnesses being interviewed by reporters: as soon as a witness would say something not fitting the official narrative, i…

Perhaps they didn't rerun the weird takes because as new information came in and everyone started getting a better picture of what happened, they stopped airing info that was apparently wrong. There is always confusion and wrong reports when events are unfolding.

I don't know what Bin Laden flights, Guantanamo, or the following wars have to do with the pentagon on 9/11 or footage of it. Honestly, I don't know what point you're trying to make.

Re: Newly published 9/11 footage [video]

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Post by zuminator »

lovehashbrowns wrote: post #8
techdragon wrote: post #6

Definitely a new angle, but it’s also strange after so many years to find good footage like this. The random extra stuff at the end make it feel very genuinely “found an old miniDV tape with some footage of forgotten about.” But it’s also just really weird to hear people talking so clearly the moment after it happens. It’s preserved a slightly surreal moment of shock quite well.

The two other videos that got posted alongside this one makes me think it was a "forgotten tape that just got digitized" type of deal. However, I can also see there being an element of trauma and just not wanting to revisit the footage on purpose. I know I have some pictures I never want to look at again, although nothing on this scale.

I too have a couple of photos I took that beautiful*, awful morning that I never shared online. Nothing that hasn't been seen before, but at the same time they feel very personal. It's not at all surprising to me that people have sat on footage.

* There was nothing beautiful about the attack, obviously, but the day itself was a perfect late summer New York day with a totally cloudless sky. So you'd look in one direction and see smoke and devastation, you'd face the other direction and see nothing but pure crystalline blue skies. It was quite surreal.

Re: Newly published 9/11 footage [video]

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Post by tofof »

Invictus0 wrote: post #17
mbustamanter wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's hard to believe, but new media of the September 11 attacks (and the towers before) comes out all the time. This includes rare pictures and videos. There are YouTube channels [0] specifically dedicated to finding music played on the plaza (muzak), partly inspired by Jack Taliercio's video [1], where you can hear songs being played while the attacks went down. Other channels have more mainstream videos (FOIA, NIST…

After all these years, I've still never seen a video of the Pentagon impact. Has anything come out for that?

There is helicopter footage that shows an object apparently accelerating outward from the highway. This video regularly gets taken down and is often posted mirrored to defeat automatic screening.

https://imgur.com/gallery/VMe3tqF/

https://youtu.be/Qz9OdOs6La4?t=241

Re: Newly published 9/11 footage [video]

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Post by necrotic_comp »

zuminator wrote: post #28
lovehashbrowns wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The two other videos that got posted alongside this one makes me think it was a "forgotten tape that just got digitized" type of deal. However, I can also see there being an element of trauma and just not wanting to revisit the footage on purpose. I know I have some pictures I never want to look at again, although nothing on this scale.

I too have a couple of photos I took that beautiful*, awful morning that I never shared online. Nothing that hasn't been seen before, but at the same time they feel very personal. It's not at all surprising to me that people have sat on footage. * There was nothing beautiful about the attack, obviously, but the day itself was a perfect late summer New York day with a totally cloudless sky. So you'd look in one direct…

9/11 blue is such a distinct color, and it's seared into my brain. It's so intwined with the day, it's part of the permanent collection at the museum: https://www.911memorial.org/connect/blog/trying-remember-col...
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