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Re: As JetBrains we condemn the attacks taking place

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Post by mdoms »

qiskit wrote: post #14
labrador wrote: post #2

Context: JetBrains' founders are Russian. They have offices in Moscow and Saint Petersburg. Free speech isn't really a thing in Russia. To openly condemn the actions of the Russian government could have serious repercussions for them, but they did it anyway. Спаси́бо, JetBrains. - Dylan Beattie

Using that logic, we don't have free speech in the US either. Ask the Dixie Chicks, phil donahue, etc. > To openly condemn the actions of the Russian government could have serious repercussions for them, but they did it anyway. Considering most of jetbrains business is in the West, to support the russian government would have had serious repercussions. Condemning the russian government is actually a smart business de…

> Using that logic, we don't have free speech in the US either. Ask the Dixie Chicks, phil donahue, etc.

Sorry, which Dixie Chicks were locked up, disappeared or physically assaulted by government officials?

Re: As JetBrains we condemn the attacks taking place

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Post by [deleted] »

sofixa wrote: post #12
jcq3 wrote: post #6

Companies should not involve in politics

Nope. In some cases not fighting against something is the same as supporting it. And the people behind those companies are human too, they have their own thoughts, passions, fears. I'd condemn my employer if they stood idly by a war crime literally impacting employees and their families.

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Re: As JetBrains we condemn the attacks taking place

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Post by sofixa »

kodah wrote: post #19
sofixa wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope. In some cases not fighting against something is the same as supporting it. And the people behind those companies are human too, they have their own thoughts, passions, fears. I'd condemn my employer if they stood idly by a war crime literally impacting employees and their families.

Kind of off topic, but Russia hasn't comitted a war crime. They've committed an act of war. Not really the same thing.

They have bombarded civilian targets - there are multiple pictures and videos of civilian buildings and infrastructure such as roads being bombed, with civilians dying. That's very war crimey.

Furthermore, crimes against peace are a type of war crime.

Re: As JetBrains we condemn the attacks taking place

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Post by ushakov »

qiskit wrote: post #14
labrador wrote: post #2

Context: JetBrains' founders are Russian. They have offices in Moscow and Saint Petersburg. Free speech isn't really a thing in Russia. To openly condemn the actions of the Russian government could have serious repercussions for them, but they did it anyway. Спаси́бо, JetBrains. - Dylan Beattie

Using that logic, we don't have free speech in the US either. Ask the Dixie Chicks, phil donahue, etc. > To openly condemn the actions of the Russian government could have serious repercussions for them, but they did it anyway. Considering most of jetbrains business is in the West, to support the russian government would have had serious repercussions. Condemning the russian government is actually a smart business de…

> business decision

the tweet isn’t about business, it’s to support families of JetBrains employees

Re: As JetBrains we condemn the attacks taking place

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Post by toyg »

adamnemecek wrote: post #4
labrador wrote: post #2

Context: JetBrains' founders are Russian. They have offices in Moscow and Saint Petersburg. Free speech isn't really a thing in Russia. To openly condemn the actions of the Russian government could have serious repercussions for them, but they did it anyway. Спаси́бо, JetBrains. - Dylan Beattie

JetBrains is technically a Czech company though, as in the company is a legal entity in the Czech Republic.

Phew. That would mean they'll never be completely cut off by measures like the proposed ban from SWIFT of all Russian interests.

Re: As JetBrains we condemn the attacks taking place

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Post by TheFreim »

Vosporos wrote: post #8
jcq3 wrote: post #6

Companies should not involve in politics

To think that companies exist out of the political sphere is at best naive, at worst utterly delusional.

> To think that companies exist out of the political sphere is at best naive, at worst utterly delusional.

I'm not who you're replying to and don't necessarily agree with them but they did say that companies /should/ stay out of politics. They think it's better if they aren't, not denying that in the real world politics does have influence.

Re: As JetBrains we condemn the attacks taking place

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Post by Mikeb85 »

labrador wrote: post #2

Context: JetBrains' founders are Russian. They have offices in Moscow and Saint Petersburg. Free speech isn't really a thing in Russia. To openly condemn the actions of the Russian government could have serious repercussions for them, but they did it anyway. Спаси́бо, JetBrains. - Dylan Beattie

Their head office is in Prague, Czech Republic and they're technically a Czech company... But point still stands, they're Russian and speaking against the war.

Re: As JetBrains we condemn the attacks taking place

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Post by version_five »

sofixa wrote: post #12
jcq3 wrote: post #6

Companies should not involve in politics

Nope. In some cases not fighting against something is the same as supporting it. And the people behind those companies are human too, they have their own thoughts, passions, fears. I'd condemn my employer if they stood idly by a war crime literally impacting employees and their families.

> not fighting against something is the same as supporting it

This is nonsense. This quickly leads to people putting all sorts of demands on companies to support causes they have nothing to do with, and assumes that everyone needs to have the same priorities you do. It's a fallacious, "my cause is more important than anything" argument. If a company's owners, for whatever reason want to get involved in politics, that's up to them. But this "silence is violence" nonsense is not just a low effort rhetorical device to make people shift resources to your cause.

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