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Bringing the Framework Laptop to more of the world

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Re: Bringing the Framework Laptop to more of the world

#21

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Sure, but when you look at the ordering page, it doesn't mention linux as an OS option, just Windows or no OS

Do you think a significant amount of people who want to run Linux will want it preinstalled for them?

It would at least offer the option to a curious consumer who wouldn't otherwise feel comfortable installing it themselves.

Re: Bringing the Framework Laptop to more of the world

#22
post #6

Can't wait for framework laptop to run Linux/Ubuntu stable (without battery drain issues) Then I'll be switching all the developers in our company over to a new machine. (Currently running XPS 13, but we are due an upgrade, especially on memory)

Do your developers have a say in what hardware they use?

Re: Bringing the Framework Laptop to more of the world

#23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but when you look at the ordering page, it doesn't mention linux as an OS option, just Windows or no OS

Do you think a significant amount of people who want to run Linux will want it preinstalled for them?

I personally do. A "just works" configuration will be ideal for me. Anytime I install linux on a new computer, I find myself spending too much time tinkering with configuration settings to make basic things like adjusting keyboard brightness and volume control work with the respective keys.

Re: Bringing the Framework Laptop to more of the world

#24
post #17

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This is a point that people should remember if they're thinking about purchasing a framework. This is still very much beta hardware. The battery drain is annoying, it's around 30-50% per night depending on what addon cards you have. I've got a setup that puts it close to 40% per night so the laptop has to live on charger over night if I want to use it the next day. However, the thing that's really stopping me from us…

Anecdotal, so obviously YMMV. On battery - I am using "sleep then hibernate", which typically means 4-6% of battery drain overnight which happens while it is in first ~2hrs of sleep mode. Of course it means you now spend 30sec booting up, but I can live with that. On touchpad - weird, my experience is opposite. I'd say this is the closest to Macbook experience I had, no issues whatsoever. Speakers are a bit quiet, ag…

Sleep then hibernate was a game changer. Pretty convoluted to setup (PopOS in my case) and still kind of a pain (takes longer to resume than I'd like) but definitely an improvement.

I have other issues with it (USB-C DP alt-mode, fan noise) but I've already ranted about those on HN.

Re: Bringing the Framework Laptop to more of the world

#25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but when you look at the ordering page, it doesn't mention linux as an OS option, just Windows or no OS

Do you think a significant amount of people who want to run Linux will want it preinstalled for them?

I agree they should offer a Linux option from factory, but you have a fair point.

Re: Bringing the Framework Laptop to more of the world

#26
post #6

Can't wait for framework laptop to run Linux/Ubuntu stable (without battery drain issues) Then I'll be switching all the developers in our company over to a new machine. (Currently running XPS 13, but we are due an upgrade, especially on memory)

Is this an issue for Ubuntu specifically or all distributions? Read somewhere that they recommended Fedora 35 for the best driver support at the moment, though that'll probably change after the next releases of 22.04 and F36. Awesome that you're switching your whole team to Frameworks - my next work laptop will for sure be a Framework too :)

I've taken to having a Fedora 35 install on a bootable USB SSD. I don't prefer it for daily use (Ubuntu/Pop for me) but if I'm ever in doubt when debugging a suspected Framework issue I boot into Fedora 35 as that's the semi-official/supported distro and version.

Generally speaking I haven't found it to be any better than my Framework optimized PopOS 20.04 NVMe boot setup:

- Rock solid Intel wifi (mostly thanks to Pop providing kernel 5.15.15)

- Fingerprint reader works (custom fprintd/libfprint debs, kind of hacky but works)

- PipeWire PPA for better bluetooth audio support

- Suspend-then-hibernate for battery drain issues

- Probably some other stuff I'm forgetting ATM

- Quickemu

- Still basically Ubuntu LTS for the occasionally goofy/proprietary stuff I need to run requiring it

Re: Bringing the Framework Laptop to more of the world

#27
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a point that people should remember if they're thinking about purchasing a framework. This is still very much beta hardware. The battery drain is annoying, it's around 30-50% per night depending on what addon cards you have. I've got a setup that puts it close to 40% per night so the laptop has to live on charger over night if I want to use it the next day. However, the thing that's really stopping me from us…

Anecdotal, so obviously YMMV. On battery - I am using "sleep then hibernate", which typically means 4-6% of battery drain overnight which happens while it is in first ~2hrs of sleep mode. Of course it means you now spend 30sec booting up, but I can live with that. On touchpad - weird, my experience is opposite. I'd say this is the closest to Macbook experience I had, no issues whatsoever. Speakers are a bit quiet, ag…

The sleep then hibernate sounds promising. But is it something you need to configure yourself?

Re: Bringing the Framework Laptop to more of the world

#28
post #6

Can't wait for framework laptop to run Linux/Ubuntu stable (without battery drain issues) Then I'll be switching all the developers in our company over to a new machine. (Currently running XPS 13, but we are due an upgrade, especially on memory)

Do your developers have a say in what hardware they use?

Yes, however we are unanimously siked for framework.

Re: Bringing the Framework Laptop to more of the world

#29
Waiting for a 'Framework Surface'.

Modularity could be a big advantage for smaller companies - getting a decent system (cpu/ram etc), and a great screen in one package is enough of a challenge.

Add in touchpad, keyboard, hinges, etc, and it's no wonder only the premium large manufacturers seem able to pull off an all-round great machine.

Plus the tablet form-factor is just more versatile than a clamshell laptop.

Re: Bringing the Framework Laptop to more of the world

#30
post #11

Will order one the day there is an AMD option.

This is the problem with trying to please power users. There is no monolithic bloc of them. They all want different things.

AMD vs Intel? Touchscreens? Strong opinions about screen aspect ratio and resolution, keyboard layout, touchpads, wifi chipset brand, GPU brand, etc.? All there.

I wish the company luck, but they are targeting the most picky consumer market there is.

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