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Re: The Elite Hackers of the FSB

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Post by sprash » Mon, Feb 21, 2022, 8:20 AM UTC

md- wrote: post #11

sprash wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article contains no proof except for references to documents published by the same government that is producing the article itself. It's propaganda.

.. just a quick reminder for anyone outside of dictatorships: there is independent media/press in germany, the article was not produced by any government entity.

> there is independent media/press in germany

Barely. Besides the obvious state controlled public broadcasting many publishing houses are owned by mainstream parties and their foundations. The biggest socialist party SPD for example owns more than 40 newspapers. They are de-facto state media. Also the state spends about a quarter billion Euros (!) subsidising publishers that otherwise would go bankrupt. You can't expect the recipients of that money to be neutral.

> the article was not produced by any government entity

It is clearly published by a government entity. Public broadcasting is not a neutral party.

Re: The Elite Hackers of the FSB

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Post by deknos » Mon, Feb 21, 2022, 8:53 AM UTC

rabite wrote: post #12

There's simply no forensic evidence of their claims here -- just a CPU-draining powerpoint show of nothingburgers. This reminds me of a slightly more modern version of Condoleeza Rice presenting fake evidence of Saddam Hussein's WMD development. Just a basic appeal to authority with a total lack of evidence.

though that's always the problem with non-opensource-secret-intelligence information. we either trust the government/system/organization, or we do not.

Re: The Elite Hackers of the FSB

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Post by newsclues » Mon, Feb 21, 2022, 10:57 AM UTC

ghosty141 wrote: post #4

sprash wrote: post #3

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What about this is state propaganda? Turla/Snake is very real, the fact that they attacked several agencies like the german foreign ministry and others is very real, as well as that all of the connections shown in this article do exist and can be verified by doing some googling.

The best propaganda is true. Not all propaganda is lies.

Re: The Elite Hackers of the FSB

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Post by rosndo » Mon, Feb 21, 2022, 11:44 AM UTC

hakantan wrote: post #19

isthrowaway wrote: post #8

I have an interesting story that I can only recently share due to the statute of limitations passing. I'll stay anonymous for this story. A number of years ago, I worked on a security team "somewhere". When I joined the place, I was given some context by the other employees about advanced intrusions in the past. For years I spent late nights pouring over my laptop trying to find every imaginable way of breaching the…

hey, as one of the reporters writing the article, I'm intrigued, obviously :D

Leaving an email on your profile (the “about” field) might increase the chances of someone contacting you.

Re: The Elite Hackers of the FSB

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Post by aaaaaaaaata » Tue, Feb 22, 2022, 2:25 AM UTC

deknos wrote: post #22

rabite wrote: post #12

There's simply no forensic evidence of their claims here -- just a CPU-draining powerpoint show of nothingburgers. This reminds me of a slightly more modern version of Condoleeza Rice presenting fake evidence of Saddam Hussein's WMD development. Just a basic appeal to authority with a total lack of evidence.

though that's always the problem with non-opensource-secret-intelligence information. we either trust the government/system/organization, or we do not.

Trust their incentives.