Russia has absolutely nothing to gain by escalating war in Europe. America has nothing to lose. Everyone knows who wants war.
Why Vladimir Putin and his entourage want war
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Re: Why Vladimir Putin and his entourage want war
#22So to begin with, fact, Putin is a better chess player than Biden. You might think, oh it's just a board game, computers are better at it. You could say that. Apparently the strategy right now is get right next to the border of Ukraine and do military exercises, then watch as NATO loses its shit with every passing second.
Part of me wonders if it’s all a ploy to drive up oil prices.
It's already driving gas prices up, which also has some effect on oil prices.
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#23I read this as why the economist and friends want russia to want war. but maybe im just cynical and jaded?
I don't think you're too cynical, but we can have our own takes. From what I was able to piece together, Russia isn't the one starting this conflict, in action. It's NATO aligned countries trying to get Ukraine to join NATO. Russia made it very clear, that ain't happening and they'll go to war over it. So who's still agitating for war? The zero-evidence claims that Russia was about to invade sure look like pure propa…
>Russia isn't the one starting this conflict
>Russia made it very clear, that ain't happening and they'll go to war over it.
Which one is it?
>The zero-evidence claims that Russia was about to invade sure look like pure propaganda from the same people who are thirsty for it.
The massive troop build up along Ukraine's border and in Belarus?
You're spreading Russian propaganda.
Re: Why Vladimir Putin and his entourage want war
#24See also Anne Applebaum: > Putin is preparing to invade Ukraine again—or pretending he will invade Ukraine again—for the same reason. He wants to destabilize Ukraine, frighten Ukraine. He wants Ukrainian democracy to fail. He wants the Ukrainian economy to collapse. He wants foreign investors to flee. He wants his neighbors—in Belarus, Kazakhstan, even Poland and Hungary—to doubt whether democracy will ever be viable…
I suspect "Anne Applebaum"'s loyalty doesn't lie with America.
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#25my favorite hot take from the economist about this war was that one article that considered if Russia might lose because the roads in Ukraine during spring are just dirty and bad from one of the worst publications to get one’s opinions from this graduated into comedy edit: for some people it was a serious enough proposition to entertain that i had to check and indicate that no, the analysis shows that russia won’t lo…
https://www.economist.com/the-economist-explains/2022/02/07/...
Doesn’t really line up with your comment, but perhaps you’re talking about a different article?
Re: Why Vladimir Putin and his entourage want war
#26John Mearsheimer has a really great video from 6 years ago about Ukraine that I found fascinating: https://youtu.be/JrMiSQAGOS4
Basically, he thinks the west precipitated the crisis by pushing to have Ukraine join NATO, and he thinks it should remain a buffer state between NATO and Russia
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#27Russia has absolutely nothing to gain by escalating war in Europe. America has nothing to lose. Everyone knows who wants war.
I would really like to know if Russia would still do it for ego reasons alone.
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#28Russia has absolutely nothing to gain by escalating war in Europe. America has nothing to lose. Everyone knows who wants war.
Who wants war?
Re: Why Vladimir Putin and his entourage want war
#29I read this as why the economist and friends want russia to want war. but maybe im just cynical and jaded?
Russia annexed Crimea and has been engaged in a proxy war in Donbas for 8 years. The Kremlin has now amassed 100K - 200K troops at Ukraine's border. Yet, the Russian propaganda machine continues to claim it's the West that wants war. Can you explain how the West is the aggressor here?
The NATO, which shouldn't be expanding eastwards, wants missiles in Ukraine pointing at Putin's face.
Re: Why Vladimir Putin and his entourage want war
#30I read this as why the economist and friends want russia to want war. but maybe im just cynical and jaded?
I don't think you're too cynical, but we can have our own takes. From what I was able to piece together, Russia isn't the one starting this conflict, in action. It's NATO aligned countries trying to get Ukraine to join NATO. Russia made it very clear, that ain't happening and they'll go to war over it. So who's still agitating for war? The zero-evidence claims that Russia was about to invade sure look like pure propa…
There's something like 150.000+ troops surrounding Ukraine, collected all over the Russia. Maybe they don't want to invade, but they sure want to make things look like they are willing to do so.
The current actions are great marketing for NATO and for increased defense spending in Europe. For some time there was hope that Europe would be heading towards a peaceful time and it was harder to justify increases military expenses. This will change all that for a long time.