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Why We Banned Legos (2006)

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Re: Why We Banned Legos (2006)

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> We didn’t want simply to step in as teachers with a new set of rules about how the children could use Legos, exchanging one set of authoritarian rules with another. Ann suggested removing the Legos from the classroom. This bold decision would demonstrate our discomfort with the issues we saw at play in Legotown.

I have no words. How oblivious do you have to be to put these sentences together in this order?

Re: Why We Banned Legos (2006)

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Stuff like this is why we get parents claiming that teachers are trying to indoctrinate children.

At this point the evidence is pretty clear that is the case.. well maybe not "indoctrination" but for sure many many school systems do not share the value system of the parents sending their kids to the schools The question then becomes who's value system should "win", IMO it should be the parents, the parents should have the final say in their child's upbringing not the schools or "community".

What if the parents believe in god's creation of the universe and the science teachers want to teach evolution?

Or vice-versa?

Re: Why We Banned Legos (2006)

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post #5

Stuff like this is why we get parents claiming that teachers are trying to indoctrinate children.

At this point the evidence is pretty clear that is the case.. well maybe not "indoctrination" but for sure many many school systems do not share the value system of the parents sending their kids to the schools The question then becomes who's value system should "win", IMO it should be the parents, the parents should have the final say in their child's upbringing not the schools or "community".

As a child of parents who did no have my best interests at heart, I'm going to whole heartedly disagree. I learned much better how to be from school than I ever did my parents.

Re: Why We Banned Legos (2006)

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Stuff like this is why we get parents claiming that teachers are trying to indoctrinate children.

Indoctrination is when you're inculcated with a doctrine. That's not what happened with the children described in the article.

But if you mean affecting children's values and social outlook, then indeed, teachers do that. Sometimes they do it unconsciously, in which case it's typically the prevailing social values, explicit and implicit, which children are imbued with; sometimes it's more conscious.

Re: Why We Banned Legos (2006)

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post #5

Stuff like this is why we get parents claiming that teachers are trying to indoctrinate children.

At this point the evidence is pretty clear that is the case.. well maybe not "indoctrination" but for sure many many school systems do not share the value system of the parents sending their kids to the schools The question then becomes who's value system should "win", IMO it should be the parents, the parents should have the final say in their child's upbringing not the schools or "community".

Even as someone who was put into an extremely strict religious school specifically to be indoctrinated with views that I now detest, and who generally takes a dim view of parents' knowledge and ability, I'm inclined to agree with this. I think there is significant value for children to share the value system of their parents while they are growing up, even if they later reject those values. Parents are more likely than teachers to have their children's best interests in mind.

Re: Why We Banned Legos (2006)

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post #5

Stuff like this is why we get parents claiming that teachers are trying to indoctrinate children.

At this point the evidence is pretty clear that is the case.. well maybe not "indoctrination" but for sure many many school systems do not share the value system of the parents sending their kids to the schools The question then becomes who's value system should "win", IMO it should be the parents, the parents should have the final say in their child's upbringing not the schools or "community".

In the places I've lived, those school systems have locally-elected folks running them.

It should be an easy matter of local politics, not media hysteria and state-level laws...

Or in the case of my own upbringing, my first ten years of school was at a school was run by a church and my parents had every opportunity to be aware of the church's beliefs. A decade or so later, they apologized for me, they told me they hadn't realized how extreme some of the religious aspects of the curriculum were, but had found out more slowly over the years...

I don't understand how/why parents let themselves be suddenly surprised by things, seems like you should pay attention from day 1!

Re: Why We Banned Legos (2006)

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Stuff like this is why we get parents claiming that teachers are trying to indoctrinate children.

> " Into their coffee shops and houses, the children were building their assumptions about ownership and the social power it conveys — assumptions that mirrored those of a class-based, capitalist society — a society that we teachers believe to be unjust and oppressive."

I share your take-away in general. But at least in this case though, the parents of these kids probably [publicly] align with the ideology of the teachers, although I think it's reasonable to suspect many of them privately have other opinions (I derive this belief from the fact that these are affluent white families who chose to send their kids to a primarily white and affluent after-school program. These families may talk the talk, but are they walking the walk?)

> Hilltop is located in an affluent Seattle neighborhood, and, with only a few exceptions, the staff and families are white; the families are upper-middle class and socially liberal.

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