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Speak for yourself.
When I program it's to get things done, I need to read a text file. Auto complete me a solution.
C# would be impossible without an IDE. Maybe you can write something in JavaScript, but any language with a large standard library is impossible sans IDE
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his argument is pretty specific: 8x-------------- He’s a really good programmer, but that’s not why his solutions were better. Since he didn’t have suggestions to guide him, he read the docs and by simply perusing them, was aware of methods and other features that the IDE did not suggest. There were better ways in the libraries they were using that weren’t apparent in the IDE. And that makes sense: in the interface f…
Is the 8x meant to be scissors? 8 Looks nicer. Never seen it before. Good idea. Gonna use it from now on instead of quotes or > on every line!
> How much effort, in the non-mathematical sense, are you willing to expend to discover if there is a lower minimum? Go over the hill to your left and you discover a minimum that is greater than the one you were just in. Go over the hill to the right and you find a lower minimum. > This happens in just about anything you can imagine, but let’s consider IDEs. You start using an IDE and it makes one particular thing pa…
So, if the IDE gives us those tools, what is the exact benefit of "going back and learning the hard way"?
> To insist on fast immediate obvious worth is to miss the big picture, is toxic to healthy ecosystems & diversity's neandering
How much time do I have to spend in the good old hard learning command line to replicate, say, 5% of Intellij Idea's refactoring capabilities and code navigation?
I'm not sure I buy his argument. I see many programmers who produce inferior code with an IDE and many programmers who produce excellent code with an IDE. I'm in the Java ecosystem, where IDEs are pretty much ubiquitous. But I've used plain editors in the past mostly for other languages. All in all, I don't see the link between using an IDE or not and the quality of the outcome. But I do see the link between using an…
The company had just released a new SDK to access a data repository. Since it was a brand new library, they only had Java/Scala versions, with plans to support other languages (JS, Python being the next two on their roadmap) in the few quarters. My team, primarily researchers who only knew Python, needed to use some of this data for a new project. I figured, what the hell, I've been looking for an excuse to learn some Scala, I'll see if I can throw together a utility for my team to use to get access to this data sooner. I fired up Sublime Text and opened up the docs for the SDK and got to work. The documentation was terrible and I really struggled to do basic tasks with this SDK. Simple things like what types were expected for function parameters was just non-existent. Since this SDK was planned to be released publicly to customers, I thought I'd do my co-workers a favour and sent them a message with some feedback about places where I particularly struggled with understanding how to use their SDK, thinking I could help improve the documentation before this went out to paying customers. Their response was that if I just used a proper IDE for my development, I wouldn't have these problems since the code completion/suggestions would let me know what the types of parameters were.
That experience completely soured me on the JVM ecosystem and I walked away from learning it. When I finally came back two years later, I discovered that I actually really like working in Scala (admittedly I do use Intellij for it now), but that many library's documentation is still quite poor compared to what I've come to expect for Python libraries.
I found, in Perl and JavaScript, these tools didn't work reliably enough so the IDE was just a slower tool.
Also reading the documentation is important regardless of the tool you're using. I don't think that's a true reflection of IDE development.
There's a common argument from craftsmen embedded in here. When something decreases accessibility of something difficult, the people who already know how to do the difficult thing criticize it, because from their eyes, it brings the average quality down. But ease and accessibility always win. This goes for IDEs, programming languages, frameworks, etc. Think of a language like PHP, which made it so easy to code that c…
> How much effort, in the non-mathematical sense, are you willing to expend to discover if there is a lower minimum? Go over the hill to your left and you discover a minimum that is greater than the one you were just in. Go over the hill to the right and you find a lower minimum. > This happens in just about anything you can imagine, but let’s consider IDEs. You start using an IDE and it makes one particular thing pa…
> getting back into the command line, the terminal, the console & re-learning the hard way how to re-enact many of the things your IDE does for you is really hard. So, if the IDE gives us those tools, what is the exact benefit of "going back and learning the hard way"? > To insist on fast immediate obvious worth is to miss the big picture, is toxic to healthy ecosystems & diversity's neandering How much time do I hav…
Becoming a person of unlimited potential. Being capable of understanding & tackling anything, understanding the world you live in, not living like a marrionette shadow puppet your life.
> How much time do I have to spend in the good old hard learning command line to replicate, say, 5% of Intellij Idea's refactoring capabilities and code navigation?
Two afternoons learning CodeMod would provide a lifetime of infinite capabilities, versus some very limited preset scripts. You would be vastly vastly vastly greater, for a tiny amount of dickering around on your own.
Also, tools such as Tabnine take away the plumbing from coding - I am so much more focused on the high-level design and goal of what I am doing if I don't have to pass so much time trying to remember what I wanted to write...