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25 Gbit/s internet as a normal customer

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Re: 25 Gbit/s internet as a normal customer

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Post by jagrsw »

digitallyfree wrote: post #12

I would expect such a service to ban hosting services on the "private" plan, or have strict conditions on what is considered acceptable use. However I see nothing of that sort in their contracts with the exception of this line in their Contractual Conditions. "3. Fair Use Policy The Internet subscriptions for private customers are intended for normal personal use. Init7 reserves the right to temporarily or permanentl…

There's big competition esp. in the Zurich area. I don't understand all historical peculiarities behind this, but it has something to do with monopolistic position of Swisscom - their old national telecom company.

As a part of de-monopolization they made it lease links to any willing ISP (bit-stream access?), so many ISPs arose, and they have relatively "cheap" and advanced offerings: 1Gb/s, 10Gb/s, 25Gb/s, fixed IPs, IPv6 etc.

This bitstream access is now extended to pretty much anyone who installs FTTH. E.g. one can have it installed by a city or cantonal electrical company or TV provider, but still be able to buy IP access from pretty much anyone through some form of open market - https://litexchange.ch/

Re: 25 Gbit/s internet as a normal customer

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Post by hak8or »

xattt wrote: post #15
AnotherGoodName wrote: post #10

I have 1gbps. I had to get a decent router. Cheap home routers can't handle it even when they outright claim they can. You also want something better than cat5 for home wiring. Lastly spinning hard drives wont keep up on sustained reads/writes you need an SSD. The above is things you should do when you have 1gbps in order to actually get those speeds. I know people will argue citing 640k being enough for everyone and…

What’s your decent router? I’m in the market for something fresh and an Edgerouter-4 is looking long in the tooth…

Mikrotik makes some very capable routers. The Rb4011 is incredibly powerful and very low power, and has an SFP+ port, so you can use a sfp+ to rj45 if needed, or straight modem -> sfp+ connection, to get faster than 1 gig speeds.

It has a steep learning curve though, albeit it's extremely rewarding and powerful once you gwr over that curve. It should handle routing 1 gig with zero issues, and is under $200. You can do bonding, vlans, esoteric ip rules, and tons of "misc" functionality.

Do not go with ubiquiti, their hardware is very poor and their UI is very buggy and simply poorly designed, it's focused on people who know a bit above an average person about networking, which I suspect is not the case for most people here.

Re: 25 Gbit/s internet as a normal customer

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Post by Youden »

sschueller wrote: post #20

The reason this is available for this price in every house in the city of Zürich is because of a law that passed requiring every house to have fiber. The infrastructure is operated by the power and phone company and any service provider can use this fiber. I hope the whole of Switzerland will do something similar because there are still a lot of places without good internet and fiber is quite future proof. Home offic…

It's not just the city of Zürich, Adliswil has it too, at the very least.

I believe Init7 leases fibre from Swisscom in other locations. My understanding is that federal law requires Swisscom to give access to its infrastructure to other companies for a fair price.

Re: 25 Gbit/s internet as a normal customer

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Post by anotherboffin »

sschueller wrote: post #20

The reason this is available for this price in every house in the city of Zürich is because of a law that passed requiring every house to have fiber. The infrastructure is operated by the power and phone company and any service provider can use this fiber. I hope the whole of Switzerland will do something similar because there are still a lot of places without good internet and fiber is quite future proof. Home offic…

I also hope all of Switzerland would do this. Downgrading from fiber to ADSL is ok, but was definitely not fun.

Re: 25 Gbit/s internet as a normal customer

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Post by Youden »

I'm waiting for mine to be installed.

Does anyone have thoughts on appropriate hardware/software? At the moment I'm just running a Linux machine as my router, using standard nftables for NAT and firewall, but I'm curious what others think.

Re: 25 Gbit/s internet as a normal customer

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Post by jsjohnst »

AnotherGoodName wrote: post #10

I have 1gbps. I had to get a decent router. Cheap home routers can't handle it even when they outright claim they can. You also want something better than cat5 for home wiring. Lastly spinning hard drives wont keep up on sustained reads/writes you need an SSD. The above is things you should do when you have 1gbps in order to actually get those speeds. I know people will argue citing 640k being enough for everyone and…

> You also want something better than cat5 for home wiring.

For 25Gbps? Or are you meaning for the 1gbps you have? If the former, of course, but otherwise Cat5e can handle 10GbE if you have good connections and the loop length isn’t too long.

Re: 25 Gbit/s internet as a normal customer

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Post by wyager »

sschueller wrote: post #20

The reason this is available for this price in every house in the city of Zürich is because of a law that passed requiring every house to have fiber. The infrastructure is operated by the power and phone company and any service provider can use this fiber. I hope the whole of Switzerland will do something similar because there are still a lot of places without good internet and fiber is quite future proof. Home offic…

> fiber is quite future proof

To give an example - OS2 single-mode fiber is the standard fiber for contemporary datacenter deployments and I assume also for last-mile deployments. It's super cheap (less than 20cpf for indoor cable, whereas cat7 copper is closer to 60cpf), has an insane range (a standard $25 fiber PHY can operate with a cable from 0m-10km), and has an insane bandwidth limit (it's currently used for everything from 1gbps to 400gbps).

If you're wiring a home today, I would 100% use OS2 over CatN unless you also need PoE.

Re: 25 Gbit/s internet as a normal customer

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Post by wyager »

xattt wrote: post #15
AnotherGoodName wrote: post #10

I have 1gbps. I had to get a decent router. Cheap home routers can't handle it even when they outright claim they can. You also want something better than cat5 for home wiring. Lastly spinning hard drives wont keep up on sustained reads/writes you need an SSD. The above is things you should do when you have 1gbps in order to actually get those speeds. I know people will argue citing 640k being enough for everyone and…

What’s your decent router? I’m in the market for something fresh and an Edgerouter-4 is looking long in the tooth…

I switched to running FreeBSD on a commodity OnLogic/Logic Supply fanless PC from Ebay and I love it. I use Mikrotik for L2 stuff but doing L3 on your own is quite nice.

Re: 25 Gbit/s internet as a normal customer

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Post by bullen »

The problem with >1GB/s is the energy you need to saturate it.

10GB/s needs a 10+W router and you'll need atleast 50W of compute behind that.

On lead-acid if you want long battery life and a good uptime you'll need atleast 4x 50Ah batteries.

25GB/s does not scale without waste unless you are ok with having 10x lead-acid batteries in the room where you live/sleep because that energy is heating.

Dunno about the hydrogen problem. Lithium only fixes the space problem in exchange of fire hazards, a hefty price increase and short battery life.

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