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Pollution causing more deaths than Covid, action needed, U.N. expert says

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Re: Pollution causing more deaths than Covid, action needed, U.N. expert says

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Post by mercy_dude »

ArnoVW wrote: post #19
marklubi wrote: post #4

I'm sorry, but I'm totally over this type of nonsense. "Expert says" just signals bullshit to me at this point. Clickbait. I'm exhausted at this point.

I feel your pain, but let me ask you: how should we manage this as a society? The fact that air pollution kills massively is not 'new'. Should we stop reporting on it? Should we continue, but use other headlines? Because the solution can't be "keep chugging along as if nothing were". I'm heading up infosec in our company, and it's a similar "inconvenient truth" type of situation. My approach so far is to appeal to "c…

> how should we manage this as a society?

If COVID crisis has been any indication, common gut feeling has proven right on many occasions such as mask, airborne, lab leak etc. It was very clear early on masks might help, until health experts chimed in with their poor messaging saying masks don’t work. The virus being aerosolized and spreading airborne was also quite clear given how common symptoms tended to be to flu, yet there was hyper focus on hand washing etc instead of cleaning air or ventilation.

You don’t need to be an expert to understand air pollution is bad. Common sense and symptoms tell you it is. If anything this is an excuse for experts to collude with policy makers to pass on whatever the agendas they are working on.

I share the mindset with OP that experts as they exist today in the form of soulless gatekeepers feeding their egos with peer reviews can’t be trusted.

Re: Pollution causing more deaths than Covid, action needed, U.N. expert says

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Post by rightbyte »

marklubi wrote: post #4

I'm sorry, but I'm totally over this type of nonsense. "Expert says" just signals bullshit to me at this point. Clickbait. I'm exhausted at this point.

The most BS about the article is that it does reference the report by name. You have to reverse engineer it by searching for the author ...

Re: Pollution causing more deaths than Covid, action needed, U.N. expert says

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Post by jacquesm »

akvadrako wrote: post #20
jacquesm wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then maybe stop going to news sites? Give yourself a break and re-engage when you think you can deal with it again.

No, he shouldn't "deal with it"; that's a waste of time. This is just garbage news; it should be avoided.

There is a 'flag' button right at the top of the page, free for you to use.

Other than that you are right, it is news about garbage, but that does not make it garbage news.

Re: Pollution causing more deaths than Covid, action needed, U.N. expert says

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Post by thawaya3113 »

marklubi wrote: post #4

I'm sorry, but I'm totally over this type of nonsense. "Expert says" just signals bullshit to me at this point. Clickbait. I'm exhausted at this point.

I’m not sure I understand what you’re exhausted about.

That somebody with expertise in the field published a report?

Re: Pollution causing more deaths than Covid, action needed, U.N. expert says

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Post by hughrr »

napier wrote: post #13
go_elmo wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a foreign tourist in london, london needs to fix its infrastructure. The amount of fine dust in the tubes is criminal.

Pandemic or no pandemic, wearing a high filtration respirator (N95/FFP2 mask at a minimum) on the tube, where air pollution levels regularly exceed Beijing and Delhi, is advisable. Also sensible on inexplicably still diesel choked busy London streets above ground.

Streets are getting considerably better thanks to ULEZ and all the horrible busses and taxis being replaced.

Re: Pollution causing more deaths than Covid, action needed, U.N. expert says

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Post by tazjin »

severino wrote: post #10

Maybe we can keep using masks? Now that we already got used to them, we may reduce the effects of pollution with good filtering masks. Of course this doesn't mean we shouldn't address what's causing the pollution in the first place.

You can do that! No places that dropped mask mandates have made a law against wearing masks.

Just leave the decision to individuals.

Re: Pollution causing more deaths than Covid, action needed, U.N. expert says

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Post by flipbrad »

mercy_dude wrote: post #21
ArnoVW wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel your pain, but let me ask you: how should we manage this as a society? The fact that air pollution kills massively is not 'new'. Should we stop reporting on it? Should we continue, but use other headlines? Because the solution can't be "keep chugging along as if nothing were". I'm heading up infosec in our company, and it's a similar "inconvenient truth" type of situation. My approach so far is to appeal to "c…

> how should we manage this as a society? If COVID crisis has been any indication, common gut feeling has proven right on many occasions such as mask, airborne, lab leak etc. It was very clear early on masks might help, until health experts chimed in with their poor messaging saying masks don’t work. The virus being aerosolized and spreading airborne was also quite clear given how common symptoms tended to be to flu,…

Dismissing stuff because just you can attach a particular label to it - in this case "expert" - is intellectually and socially weak sauce. Why not instead engage with the claims and dispute them at face value, rather than resort to name calling? (Especially when the insult of choice here is "expert")

Re: Pollution causing more deaths than Covid, action needed, U.N. expert says

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Post by lotsofpulp »

ArnoVW wrote: post #19
marklubi wrote: post #4

I'm sorry, but I'm totally over this type of nonsense. "Expert says" just signals bullshit to me at this point. Clickbait. I'm exhausted at this point.

I feel your pain, but let me ask you: how should we manage this as a society? The fact that air pollution kills massively is not 'new'. Should we stop reporting on it? Should we continue, but use other headlines? Because the solution can't be "keep chugging along as if nothing were". I'm heading up infosec in our company, and it's a similar "inconvenient truth" type of situation. My approach so far is to appeal to "c…

> Because the solution can't be "keep chugging along as if nothing were".

I predict that is what the solution will be. The path to reduction in total consumption worldwide (a proxy for pollution) will only come about from reduced population.

Similar to how any other organisms reach the boundary conditions of their environment, and then experience population loss until they are within survivable parameters again.

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