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Trudeau announces intention to freeze bank accounts of protestors

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Re: Trudeau announces intention to freeze bank accounts of protestors

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Post by stuob »

tyleo wrote: post #3

I’d like to expand on some thoughts I had in another thread that provoked some interesting discussion: If the protests are peaceful, the government should not shut them down. But at what point do the economic impacts of a protest cross a line such that they aren’t peaceful? I personally feel that the slippery slope runs in both directions: * The government expanding its power to block more protests is a slippery slop…

> This really seems like a situation with no good options.

Removing the mandates is a pretty simple option. Actually, just that fact makes this invocation of the emergency act illegal. This president has gone crazy.

Re: Trudeau announces intention to freeze bank accounts of protestors

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Post by thereddaikon »

tyleo wrote: post #3

I’d like to expand on some thoughts I had in another thread that provoked some interesting discussion: If the protests are peaceful, the government should not shut them down. But at what point do the economic impacts of a protest cross a line such that they aren’t peaceful? I personally feel that the slippery slope runs in both directions: * The government expanding its power to block more protests is a slippery slop…

To further complicate the matter, protests are completely ineffectual if they do not impact others in some way. Its easy to say that protesters should be considerate and not get in the way. But if they do that then their message is easy to ignore. Protest by nature must be civil disobedience to have any real effect.

What troubles me in this regard is that the Canadian government in general, and Trudeau in particular, seem bent on meeting the protesters with a disproportionate response. This can only lead to an escalation, not de-escalation. And has the potential to galvanize support for them. The opposite of what the Canadian government wants. Not to mention how makes them look like tyrants who trample on civil rights. Regardless of whether or not they care about that, they should care about the optics.

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Post by mimikatz »

tyleo wrote: post #3

I’d like to expand on some thoughts I had in another thread that provoked some interesting discussion: If the protests are peaceful, the government should not shut them down. But at what point do the economic impacts of a protest cross a line such that they aren’t peaceful? I personally feel that the slippery slope runs in both directions: * The government expanding its power to block more protests is a slippery slop…

Protestors should protest legally. They shouldn't block roads. They shouldn't break windows. They shouldn't burn buildings. When they don't they should be broken up/arrested/charged with the crimes they break. This goes for all sides.

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Post by sinyug »

> Critics have noted that the prime minister voiced support for farmers in India who blocked major highways to New Delhi for a year in 2021, saying at the time: "Canada will always be there to defend the right of peaceful protest."

And we will keep bringing this up.

> Trudeau’s party is believed to lend passive support to the Khalistanis who have been using Canada as a strong base for decades now.

> The Canadian PM has repeatedly failed to take into account the sensitivities in India regarding support to Sikh terror groups in Canada.

> His visit to India earlier this year had made the Khalistan movement a talking point once again. During his meeting with Trudeau, Punjab Chief Minister Captain Amarinder Singh said he had raised the issue of Khalistan. In an incident that caused further embarrassment to the Canadian premiere, Trudeau’s wife was clicked with Jaspal Atwal, a member of an illegal Sikh separatist group, who was invited to an event hosted by the Canadian High Commission.[1]

And he is concerned about "terrorist financing?"

[1] https://indianexpress.com/article/world/justin-trudeau-canad...

Re: Trudeau announces intention to freeze bank accounts of protestors

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Post by verelo »

verisimi wrote: post #16
grej wrote: post #7

“With no need for court orders, banks can freeze personal accounts of anyone linked with the protests.” The politics of this particular situation aside, this feels like a terrifying development for future protests, and public discourse in general.

Apparently it also includes people who donated to their cause. A peaceful, non-violent cause. Wow. North Korea, look out!

Except it’s really not that anymore. Constant noise disruptions, gridlocking the city…it’s causing harm and the protests have damaged property, businesses and even gone as far to dance on the war memorials. These are not our best people.

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Post by notpachet »

throwawayay02 wrote: post #15
tyleo wrote: post #3

I’d like to expand on some thoughts I had in another thread that provoked some interesting discussion: If the protests are peaceful, the government should not shut them down. But at what point do the economic impacts of a protest cross a line such that they aren’t peaceful? I personally feel that the slippery slope runs in both directions: * The government expanding its power to block more protests is a slippery slop…

There is a very simple solution, the government lifts the restrictions and resigns. New elections are held and then the people decide if they want a new government that will punish protesters or not.

Or, or! The protesters all return home, and promise to make this a hot-button item in the next fairly held democratic election.

Re: Trudeau announces intention to freeze bank accounts of protestors

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Post by Applejinx »

verisimi wrote: post #16
grej wrote: post #7

“With no need for court orders, banks can freeze personal accounts of anyone linked with the protests.” The politics of this particular situation aside, this feels like a terrifying development for future protests, and public discourse in general.

Apparently it also includes people who donated to their cause. A peaceful, non-violent cause. Wow. North Korea, look out!

Or, be careful when you take sides in a global geopolitical conflict dating back to before the Cold War and recently flaring up into open informational warfare so intense it swung elections and dragged in whole Silicon Valley unicorns as collaborators. When people figure out what happened you don't get treated as an innocent bystander. Do your due diligence.

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Post by causi »

Not that the trucker protestors are right, but watching the Right and Left do a complete 180 and copy/paste each others' comments from the 2020 BLM protests is either the funniest or the saddest thing I've ever seen. It seems more and more that people only pretend to have principals so long as they can use them to advocate for their own side.
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