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UK launches “No Place To Hide” propaganda campaign to ban E2EE

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Re: UK launches “No Place To Hide” propaganda campaign to ban E2EE

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Post by moreira »

NextHendrix wrote: post #8

Not a web person, but isn't https end-to-end encryption

Yes, but only in the sense that it's encryption between you and the server you're talking to. That's not what people are referring to when they talk about end-to-end encryption, though.

What people are talking about there is that when I send you a message, it leaves my device encrypted, and can only be decrypted by you, on your device. Whatever servers it goes through, in order to get to you, cannot decrypt it at all. Law enforcement, third-party companies, doesn't matter, they can't see it, only you and I can.

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Post by monocasa »

hughrr wrote: post #14

I can't wait until this one backfires on them. A good take on government competence on this sort of stuff was done by Brass Eye: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRRw1ERj2Gc

> This video contains content from LDS, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds

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Post by styeco »

Sorry for the choice words, but shit like this makes my blood boil. You're not trying to "keep our children safe" motherfucker, and you know it. You're trying to prevent people from being able to have private conversations, so your secret agencies can harvest all the data from everyone easily. To phrase it as "but think of the children" is instrumentalizing the actual victims of child abuse and you should be ashamed.

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Post by flipbrad »

eptcyka wrote: post #19
agd wrote: post #9

Whilst the messaging here is chilling, I don’t think E2E will be banned in the UK. Not least because journalists and MPs use it everyday in signal and WhatsApp.

MPs and other parliamentary officials are exempt from ISPs keeping logs of their web activities, do you honestly think that this will affect the people in power?

They aren't. The Investigatory Powers Act just tightens the conditions/ circumstances under which it is supposed to happen.

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Post by nsajko »

hughrr wrote: post #14

I can't wait until this one backfires on them. A good take on government competence on this sort of stuff was done by Brass Eye: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRRw1ERj2Gc

Video seems to be affected by a false copyright claim:

> Video unavailable

> This video contains content from LDS, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds

LDS "suggests" I watch "Michael McIntyre On Christmas | Michael McIntyre" instead.

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Post by ethanbond »

styeco wrote: post #25

Sorry for the choice words, but shit like this makes my blood boil. You're not trying to "keep our children safe" motherfucker, and you know it. You're trying to prevent people from being able to have private conversations, so your secret agencies can harvest all the data from everyone easily. To phrase it as "but think of the children" is instrumentalizing the actual victims of child abuse and you should be ashamed.

To be honest the motivation to keep our children (or people more generally) safe seems way more clear to me that the motivation… to prevent people from having private conversations… to what end?

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Post by mhh__ »

Let's say this steering group does really see the benefits of privacy but just wants say more ways to report things or AI magic to spot old people talking about sex to children. That's all well and good, but do you trust the Government to implement it?

When I started secondary school about 10 years ago now it was very clearly impressed upon me how to behave online and how to report bad stuff, but the guy who did that was a very fastidious teacher so I bet not everyone else in the UK does.

That also happened before the phone had completely taken over as the means of consuming the internet, which has made the internet - especially for young people - into a more walled, more anxious, and more manic place in my opinion.

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Post by mrtksn »

Let's assume that it doesn't have any nefarious motives, What's the argument against doing regular police work to catch criminals?

Yes, I understand that it's extremely tempting to be able to peak into every persons communications but that has become feasible only the last decade or so. Just do your job the way it has aways been done.

Haven't we seen how endless are the ambitions of politicians even in the most democratic countries? How one can expect that it's going to be their people who will be sneaking into the people's communications? If you are a tory, consider what happens if Corbyn takes over. If you are a democrat, consider what happens if Trump takes over.

Don't even let me start over the commercial and industrial espionage in concert with the people in the govt.

The moment E2EE is compromised, the computer age dies. This is not like tapping a phone line, the human civilisation is living in a virtual reality where communities come together, organize and express themselves at global scale. We don't need 3D avatars in a metaverse BS, we are already there and compromising E2EE instantly turns our world into a dystopia.

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