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Direct the Patent Office to Cease Issuing Software Patents

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Re: Direct the Patent Office to Cease Issuing Software Patents

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As of this writing, 5029 of the required 5000 signatures have been collected! Now hopefully this actually goes somewhere...

I wish I could participate and drive that number higher but I'm not American.

I have linked to this petition from my blog urging Americans to sign it though.

Re: Direct the Patent Office to Cease Issuing Software Patents

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IANAL, but I don't think the executive branch has the authority to do what the petition is asking. The patent office merely interprets what Congress and the courts tell it - while there is some interpretational discretion, I don't think it extends to the point of rejecting all software patents and certainly not to the point of retroactively invalidating all of them.

Courts have already spoken: http://ourdoings.com/ourdoings-startup/2011-07-28

Re: Direct the Patent Office to Cease Issuing Software Patents

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Now how to identify what is a "software" patent and what isn't? Legally software already can't be patented -- it has to be a physical something. Read any "software" patent and it doesn't refer to the software, it refers to some sort of programmable machine that does something special with its software.

Is it a machine patent or is it a software patent?

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Why?

There is much debate over whether software patents encourage or discourage innovation. There are a lot of arguably obvious software patents (e.g. "Method to retrieve backups from the internet"). Since the USPTO only started issuing software patents in the late 1990's, some or most of these patents are predated by plenty of examples of prior art. Imagine if a movie screenwriter were suddenly able to patent the romanti…

It's not very debatable at all, actually. Plot two curves on the same graph, one showing the rate of fundamental innovations in software and computer science in general and the other showing the number of software patents issued by the USPTO. My guess is that those curves will cross sometime in the 1990s, and never approach each other again.

(The trouble is that the politicians, not knowing any better, will go to the USPTO to get both sets of figures. "See? All of these new software patents must mean that innovation has accelerated at a tremendous rate!"))

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post #3

IANAL, but I don't think the executive branch has the authority to do what the petition is asking. The patent office merely interprets what Congress and the courts tell it - while there is some interpretational discretion, I don't think it extends to the point of rejecting all software patents and certainly not to the point of retroactively invalidating all of them.

The US Patent Office is part of the Executive Branch, so the President certainly does have the authority to issue orders to them.

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Yes, this is a dupe from earlier today. I posted the damned thing by accident while learning the system in a half awake stupor. And, because I was in an half awake stupor, decided it was a good idea to share it with the world after accidentally posting it. I've been trying to get them to take it down to no avail. Failing that I've suggested better language and asked other people to suggest better language. On Monday…

Seems like an improvement to me.

Re: Direct the Patent Office to Cease Issuing Software Patents

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Software patents are not bad. Obvious patents are bad.

Name a good software patent the world can't live without?

I'll quote PG himself: "One thing I do feel pretty certain of is that if you're against software patents, you're against patents in general. Gradually our machines consist more and more of software. Things that used to be done with levers and cams and gears are now done with loops and trees and closures. There's nothing special about physical embodiments of control systems that should make them patentable, and the software equivalent not."

By speaking out against software patents, you are essentially saying that programmers are not capable of inventing, or that they should not be afforded the same protections that other inventors receive.

Re: Direct the Patent Office to Cease Issuing Software Patents

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Since there are trillions of dollars worth of software patents out there, most owned by US companies, this doesn't seem like a good way to proceed even if it were legal. You might be able to stop future applications for software patents. But really there's no bright line between software and hardware anymore -- you really need to reform the entire patent system.

What makes you think software patents are worth trillions of dollar, and how do you define "worth"?

I'd guess that for the economy as a whole, the combined worth of software patents is negative.

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