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15 of 23 Monkeys with Elon Musk’s Neuralink Brain Chips Reportedly Died

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Re: 15 of 23 Monkeys with Elon Musk’s Neuralink Brain Chips Reportedly Died

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If you'd like to remind yourself of the original demonstration video of a monkey with Neuralink, playing a game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rXrGH52aoM

What did they claim the chip was doing? It just looks like a monkey trained to play basic video games for food.

That chip could be the sticker of the backpack of a little Lego spaceman.

Re: 15 of 23 Monkeys with Elon Musk’s Neuralink Brain Chips Reportedly Died

#22
I do enough hardware security work to where I wouldn't want anything like this anywhere near the motor or sensory or emotional functions of me or my loved ones anyway. One abusive partner or associate could do so much damage.

Don't want to even feel a bit of pressure from people who say I need this kind of tech to "stay competitive in the marketplace."

My initial bias as a potential customer is that I really don't like this stuff. And it seems like the leadership chain in this particular product isn't doing anything to assuage my concerns or show seriousness about minimizing harm. This is self-defeating product strategy at best.

At worst...well others have said it better.

Re: 15 of 23 Monkeys with Elon Musk’s Neuralink Brain Chips Reportedly Died

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Human trials in 2032 seems a much more realistic timeframe. Wait: the guy tortures (or pays for the torture of) intelligent life for literally zero benefit and your conclusion is that his trial timeline isn't realistic? I actually lol'd Self-crashing cars, science-blocking satellites, Ativan tweets, and now sadism to primates: what more evidence do we need that what this person requires -- in the most charitable po…

I think, more charitably, is that the OP's point is it's patently absurd that Elon wants human trials in any form this year when these kind of horrific deaths are happening to these monkeys.

No no I know, you're probably right, but like you see how the phrasing was just horror/funny right

Re: 15 of 23 Monkeys with Elon Musk’s Neuralink Brain Chips Reportedly Died

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I can't even imagine how these experiments are passing an ethics committee.

I had never heard of this experiment before, but this report is one of these moments, that make me question, if we took the wrong branch of reality.

A billionaire torturing animals for a self gain goal disguised as scientific research sounds like a plot from a James Bond movie of my childhood.

I just can't wrap my head around.

Re: 15 of 23 Monkeys with Elon Musk’s Neuralink Brain Chips Reportedly Died

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish we had more people who under-deliver the way Elon Musk does.

So far he's... - planning to dig tiny tunnels with no ventilation or emergency egress for cars instead of, you know, trains [1] - [edit](as if the only reason we have traffic is because lanes are uncovered? maybe just put a roof over the highway as a beta test?) - he's walked back the whole hyperloop thing almost entirely [2] - some electric cars where he tried to overthrow the government of Bolivia to source lithium…

I think that you'll learn that besides haters, nobody cares about the failures. Or hit rate. Only about the successes. And Elon's had such huge ones that he can keep trying for more.

Re: 15 of 23 Monkeys with Elon Musk’s Neuralink Brain Chips Reportedly Died

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post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So far he's... - planning to dig tiny tunnels with no ventilation or emergency egress for cars instead of, you know, trains [1] - [edit](as if the only reason we have traffic is because lanes are uncovered? maybe just put a roof over the highway as a beta test?) - he's walked back the whole hyperloop thing almost entirely [2] - some electric cars where he tried to overthrow the government of Bolivia to source lithium…

I think that you'll learn that besides haters, nobody cares about the failures. Or hit rate. Only about the successes. And Elon's had such huge ones that he can keep trying for more.

He made some electric cars. They're pretty cool when they're not trying to murder. And some low-orbit satellite internet that should help connect some remote areas. The successes are genuinely massively overstated.

He's a marketer, and a good one. A P.T. Barnum type.

Re: 15 of 23 Monkeys with Elon Musk’s Neuralink Brain Chips Reportedly Died

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post #21

If you'd like to remind yourself of the original demonstration video of a monkey with Neuralink, playing a game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rXrGH52aoM

What did they claim the chip was doing? It just looks like a monkey trained to play basic video games for food. That chip could be the sticker of the backpack of a little Lego spaceman.

It ends up playing using only the neuralink when the joystick is disconnected.

Re: 15 of 23 Monkeys with Elon Musk’s Neuralink Brain Chips Reportedly Died

#28

“Pretty much every single monkey that had had implants put in their head suffered from pretty debilitating health effects,” said the PCRM’s research advocacy director Jeremy Beckham. “They were, frankly, maiming and killing the animals.” Elon's desire for human trials in 2022 definitely isn't going to work. Human trials in 2032 seems a much more realistic timeframe.

Maybe 2132

This. The whole thing sounds wildly science fictional, much more so than something as a simple as a reusable launch vehicle.

Re: 15 of 23 Monkeys with Elon Musk’s Neuralink Brain Chips Reportedly Died

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Elon almost always overpromises and under delivers. The majority of his projects never really come to fruition.

A marketer's trick. But he has at least one big win - SpaceX.

Is SpaceX a win? So far they seem to only be able to spend many billions of dollars. Are they just doing something that is so expensive that it loses tons of money and that companies that need to make money are unwilling to do?

Re: 15 of 23 Monkeys with Elon Musk’s Neuralink Brain Chips Reportedly Died

#30
"Neuralink chips were implanted by drilling holes into the monkeys’ skulls. One primate developed a bloody skin infection and had to be euthanized. Another was discovered missing fingers and toes, “possibly from self-mutilation or some other unspecified trauma,” and had to be put down. A third began uncontrollably vomiting shortly after surgery, and days later “appeared to collapse from exhaustion/fatigue.” An autopsy revealed the animal suffered from a brain hemorrhage."

I'm fairly certain in 50 years we'll look at the way we treat highly intelligent and social primates not to mention other animals the exact same way we've looked at the atrocities and ethical breaches in scientific research of the past.

I'd actually like to see an interview with the people who have to witness these kind of Frankenstein experiments first hand and how they justify it.

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