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Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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I'm sure I'm in a minority here, but I think this is good . As a consumer, I want to be warned if there's something that's going to deviate from my system's norms, especially if it could take money from me.

I think there are more than one "norms" when it comes to payment. Here in Sweden you can expect to use klarna or swish if you pay something online, i wouldnt be worried if they forward me those payment services.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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post #6

I'm sure I'm in a minority here, but I think this is good . As a consumer, I want to be warned if there's something that's going to deviate from my system's norms, especially if it could take money from me.

I actually agree with you.

On Android, you can side load, but you're warned if you destroy your life via some strange binary you found on the internet, that's on you.

On iOS, it's more than a reasonable to say you're using an third-party payment service which is not subject to Apple security.

If your tech savvy, you know that this is just fear-mongering on Apple's part.

And if you're not tech savvy, then stick to using Apple payments for everything

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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It's really time to do what needs to be done. I want the EU to force Apple and Google to allow 3rd party app stores with the exact same rights as theirs (auto updated etc.). Just like back in the day when Microsoft was forced to let users allow other browser when it wasn't even being blocked. Just theirs was pre-installed! The security excuse doesn't cut it, sorry. 3rd party app stores can be just as secure if not ev…

I see a problem with the Facebook, the Microsoft, the Epic store with all different rules and payment methods. Having them to cross a common threshold is better for me as an end user.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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post #23

It's really time to do what needs to be done. I want the EU to force Apple and Google to allow 3rd party app stores with the exact same rights as theirs (auto updated etc.). Just like back in the day when Microsoft was forced to let users allow other browser when it wasn't even being blocked. Just theirs was pre-installed! The security excuse doesn't cut it, sorry. 3rd party app stores can be just as secure if not ev…

I see a problem with the Facebook, the Microsoft, the Epic store with all different rules and payment methods. Having them to cross a common threshold is better for me as an end user.

Then use the common threshold. I'm sure Epic would happy to keep a version of their games on the App Store with all prices inflated by thirty percent.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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post #19

It's really time to do what needs to be done. I want the EU to force Apple and Google to allow 3rd party app stores with the exact same rights as theirs (auto updated etc.). Just like back in the day when Microsoft was forced to let users allow other browser when it wasn't even being blocked. Just theirs was pre-installed! The security excuse doesn't cut it, sorry. 3rd party app stores can be just as secure if not ev…

Microsoft was forced around Internet Explorer not "just" because theirs was pre-installed. It was more that Internet Explorer had become so baked in to the system that it literally could not be removed without breaking Windows. That was the thing that caused rulings against Microsoft.

I'm not sure that holds up in practice. The "fix" for the anti-trust claim (or what it was called) was for Microsoft to add a popup asking the user what browser they wanted, and Internet Explorer (or whatever it's called today) is still as embedded into the OS as it was in the past.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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It's really time to do what needs to be done. I want the EU to force Apple and Google to allow 3rd party app stores with the exact same rights as theirs (auto updated etc.). Just like back in the day when Microsoft was forced to let users allow other browser when it wasn't even being blocked. Just theirs was pre-installed! The security excuse doesn't cut it, sorry. 3rd party app stores can be just as secure if not ev…

Why don't we buy their security concern? We then declare the App Store a utility and divorce it from Apple entirely. Pay Apple off and have it run as a non-profit supported by a minimal tax from Apple and developers.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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The whole ecosystem around Apple products seems to be a commitment to producing e-waste in the short-term. It's really bizarre. A 20 year old PC still works. It might be slow, but as long as it's 64-bit, you can run modern software. If it's older and 32-bit you might be struggling but it's at least theoretically possible. By contrast Apple seem hell-bent on creating this environment in which they control the software…

> A 20 year old PC still works A horse and buggy still work, that doesn’t mean the only purpose of cars is creating waste.

I think a horse and buggy and a car are different classes of technology.

A better comparison is old cars and new cars. Creating waste is not the only purpose of cars, but manufacturers sure do like to push newer models for the sake of sales, disregarding the waste problem.

Right now my 40 year old car still runs just fine. But that's because public infrastructure still supports it. With tricks like manufacturer-specific garages and forced software obsolescence, a car I buy today might well not be usable in 40 year's time.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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post #9

I think that the best way for Apple to conform to all those regulations would be dual-tiering the iPhone (which I know they avoided for years) in software or even by two box designs. One would be "casual" iPhone (called just iPhone or iPhone Family), that'd have all the safety warnings, walled garden exits notification etc. etc., and then there would be "expert" edition or whatever, where there would be minimal notif…

>I understand that for some people Apple is monopolist and closed garden, but for me my family this is exactly what I want. They don't care for security, 3rd party providers, iCloud storage options or how to not lose their photos and videos - and I don't want to be made to care for them for updates, configuration, security etc, and receive a call phone very single time they are confused by dialog (with state-mandated COVID app I spent ~40m with multiple people each on phone clicking them through the app).

But don't be selfish. You and your family are fine today but tomorrow some Apple decision will affect you and only then will you start complaining. You need to just the option to leave the garden , nobody is forcing you , say if buying an audio book and paying with PayPal is 25% cheaper but you love Apple so, so much you want o pay more nobody would force you not to pay with Apple(Apple could demand an Apple payment option but should not force that they get the smaller prices like Amazon do). Same with applications, nobody forces you to install a third party App Store, Apple can make this setting hidden, make a clear video on why this is bad (they should be honest though and not spread FUD). The truth is that on OSX you don't see the MAc users installing like retards malware and on Android I did not see any major app refusing to publish in the Google Play Store, Unfortunetly the reverse is true, you can't find most apps directly on the source website but you are forced to install the Google Store.

TL:DR

1 is not about security, it is about money.

2 nobody is forced to use anything else then Apple(no FB will not move their app from the store, they did not do it in Android and there is no intelligent argument they would do it for iOS)

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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post #24
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see a problem with the Facebook, the Microsoft, the Epic store with all different rules and payment methods. Having them to cross a common threshold is better for me as an end user.

Then use the common threshold. I'm sure Epic would happy to keep a version of their games on the App Store with all prices inflated by thirty percent.

Their saga with the Play Store shows that that isn’t the case.[0] Once you allow third parties to use different stores, and those stores aren’t as restrictive, you bet businesses are gonna move there. The whole “if you like the App Store, just don’t use the others” doesn’t work in practice. See also: the whole Steam vs Epic issue on Windows.

Should Apple open their store? Sure. But it’s not as cut and dry as people make it out to be.

[0]: https://www.epicgames.com/fortnite/en-US/news/how-to-install...

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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post #6

I'm sure I'm in a minority here, but I think this is good . As a consumer, I want to be warned if there's something that's going to deviate from my system's norms, especially if it could take money from me.

The issue with the app store is there's a clear conflict of interest. Also it restricts users freedom.
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